Five Greatest Position Players of All Time

[Psyblast]

Re: Five Greatest Position Players of All Time

So you're saying that bat speed, the hips, and the step have less to do with homeruns than arm strength? Watch someone who tries to hit with all arms, because I guarantee it won't be a home run.

Actually neither Squint nor myself said any such thing. It was you that made the exclusionary comment that steroids don't help you hit homeruns.

[SportsTop]

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Watch someone who tries to hit with all arms, because I guarantee it won't be a home run.

This really isn't on topic but...Kirk Gibson circa '88 World Series comes to mind.

[ubernoob]

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This really isn't on topic but...Kirk Gibson circa '88 World Series.

Fair enough, but I meant more with regularity over a career and such. Picking up his back foot to hit a HR? what a no-no, hah...

That being said - I don't agree with steroids and I think anyone that tests positive (I'm talking the people that don't have LEGITIMATE [i.e. doctor prescribed for recovery] reason for taking them, or only to get a boost) and it is confirmed should be thrown out of baseball for good.

[chippered]

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Actually neither Squint nor myself said any such thing. It was you that made the exclusionary comment that steroids don't help you hit homeruns.

So, following you and Squints thinking, do you think that average MLBers could take roids and become superstars? How much do you really think it helps?

[Knight165]

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Are you by chance a rocket scientist or a brain surgeon?

No need to get personal. Seriously.

....and no I'm not either of those...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!


M.K.
Knight165

[chippered]

Re: Five Greatest Position Players of All Time

No need to get personal. Seriously.

....and no I'm not either of those...but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night!


M.K.
Knight165

lol

[Kashanova]

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I refuse to put Bonds on my list on principle. The guy cheated, that's all there is to it. He can't be one of the best players of all time when he didn't play the game fairly - I don't care how good he was before he cheated.

Here's my list:

1. Ted Williams
2. Willie Mays
3. Ty Cobb
4. Lou Gehrig
5. Honus Wagner

how is it cheating when there wasnt a rule against it at the time?

[Tomahawk]

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how is it cheating when there wasnt a rule against it at the time?

Rule or not, wasn't it against the law?

[ZM Punk]

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1. Willie Mays
2. Ted Williams
3. Mickey Mantle
4. Babe Ruth
5. Ty Cobb

[Kashanova]

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Rule or not, wasn't it against the law?

yea but they started signing bills and stuff for steroids in 2004

[ZM Punk]

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I'm not sure I get the connection.
Are you saying I had to actually WITNESS a player play before I can consider him great?...I didn't realize I had such a wide sweeping influence on greatness. I like it!
You're reachin' BK....like I said before....my opinion...

But you're right....I'm sure if I would have seen Cobb play...I would have realized that his .366 lifetime batting average was just a fluke and he actually sucked.

Besides, he was a former bridgebuilder...but for much different reasons...so okay take him out and replace him with ANOTHER guy who was better than bonds(I came in here to edit the b to a capital....but I kinda like it that way...it fits him).... Joe D....no wait...another.......how about Ted Williams?....no scratch that...aw heck....I can't pick one when there are so many more...


M.K.
Knight165

Dude, your definitely reaching saying Joe D was a better player than Barry Bonds. IMO that comparison isn't even close.

Now Teddy Ballgame I can agree with, but Dimaggio? Come on now.

[Tomahawk]

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That is a point that could be debated until the end of time.

If Ruth played in an era of integration then it is a totally different story.

Or if Ruth played in a league with 30 teams, watered down pitching talent, smaller ballparks, plane trips instead of train trips and better equipment what kind of damage could he have done?

When Ruth played there were 12 teams consisting of only white players. Most of the major league teams had 10 or more farm teams so there were plenty of very good white players who didn't play in the majors back then along with players of other races. Plus, participation in baseball was starting to reach its peak because kids didn't play other sports like they did baseball so there were plenty of talented players available.

There is no way you can say the level of competition was less when Ruth played when you factor in the number teams compared to today regardless of the exclusion of players of color.

[SportsTop]

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So, following you and Squints thinking, do you think that average MLBers could take roids and become superstars? How much do you really think it helps?

I think it helps stars become superstars (McGwire), average players become All-Stars (Brady Anderson), and Hall of Famers become the best player of all time (Bonds).

[Tomahawk]

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yea but they started signing bills and stuff for steroids in 2004

Right, it was not illegal in this country to purchase steriods in this country before 2004. I remember being able to buy them at Wal-Mart right after Ben Johnson won the Gold medal in 1988. Also, I remember going to McDonalds and getting some HGH with my chicken nuggets the day Lyle Alzado died in 1992.


Of course, if MLB doesn't start testing for it until 2004 it couldn't have been illegal in this country because MLB sets the standard for this country.


I gotcha and stand corrected.

[Tomahawk]

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I think it helps stars become superstars (McGwire), average players become All-Stars (Brady Anderson), and Hall of Famers become the best player of all time (Bonds).

Co-signed. Steriods turn routine outs to doubles off the wall and double off the wall into homers.

If you don't think steriods can change the distance you can hit a ball you should have seen those 'roid monkeys hitting softballs off the back wall of the Metrodome last week.