A-RODS future?

[rsox]

Re: A-RODS future?

When it comes to winning?

How exactly do you determine what makes a player a winner or not?

The whole winner theory on players is silly. Player A who played 78 games and sits on the bench won with the Cardinals last year he's a winner? But Player B who drives in runs and helps his team win games every night isn't a winner because his TEAM didn't win a championship?

Nope, i look at the facts.

Teams with ARod in the postseason are 15-18 with 2 ALCS losses and 2 first round losses.

ARod's best offensive seasons have come in years where his team was never in a playoff race (2001-02 Rangers, hit 50+ HR's and drove in 135+ Runs in each year, on pace for better than that with the Yankees possibly not making the playoffs this year).

The teams ARod has played for are historically better the season after ARod leaves ('00 Mariners w/ARod 91-71, '01 Mariners w/o ARod 116-46 thats's a 15 game improvement over the previous year. '03 Rangers w/ARod 71-91, '04 Rangers w/o 89-73 18 games better than the previous year!)

ARod is a great player, he will probably break the Home Run record (whatever it is) someday and maybe do what Bonds couldn't and win a championship. But i don't want to see him in a Red Sox uniform.

[NYJets]

Re: A-RODS future?

Nope, i look at the facts.

Teams with ARod in the postseason are 15-18 with 2 ALCS losses and 2 first round losses.

ARod's best offensive seasons have come in years where his team was never in a playoff race (2001-02 Rangers, hit 50+ HR's and drove in 135+ Runs in each year, on pace for better than that with the Yankees possibly not making the playoffs this year).

The teams ARod has played for are historically better the season after ARod leaves ('00 Mariners w/ARod 91-71, '01 Mariners w/o ARod 116-46 thats's a 15 game improvement over the previous year. '03 Rangers w/ARod 71-91, '04 Rangers w/o 89-73 18 games better than the previous year!)

ARod is a great player, he will probably break the Home Run record (whatever it is) someday and maybe do what Bonds couldn't and win a championship. But i don't want to see him in a Red Sox uniform.

Yea, it's all A-Rod's fault that his teams don't have great playoff records.

And as for having his best seasons when the team isn't in a playoff race, means absolutely nothing considering he won the MVP in 2005 when the Yankees made the playoffs, and the race went down to the last series of the season.

But if you don't think it would help the Red Sox to replace Lowell or Lugo with A-Rod that's fine by me. Hopefully Theo feels the same way.

[rsox]

Re: A-RODS future?

His .071 BA in last years postseason certainly didn't help the Yankees much.

I would much rather keep Lowell and Lugo and spend the money on pitching.

[Sandman42]

Re: A-RODS future?

His .071 BA in last years postseason certainly didn't help the Yankees much.

I would much rather keep Lowell and Lugo and spend the money on pitching.

Small sample size. Every hitter goes on slumps. Plus it was more the pitching of Randy Johnson and Jaret Wright that did the Yankees in.

[remix]

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I would much rather keep Lowell and Lugo and spend the money on pitching.

Are we talking about the same Lugo that was hitting below .200 before his recent streak? Honestly there isn't that many possibilities out there for pitching next year that can truly impact the game. There's Smoltz Zambrano Nathan Rivera Schilling Linebrink Jennings Rogers. If Papelbon were to stay closer, that knocks out Nathan and Rivera. I'm sure Linebrink would want to be the main setup guy, you already have Okajima. I'd see Smoltz and Zambrano most likely to stay with their clubs, but there's a possibility for that.

Anyhow, I'd love to see ARod go to a team like the Angels or my very own Giants. He gets absolutely no credit for what hes doing over in the east coast

[CMH]

Re: A-RODS future?

Nope, i look at the facts.

Teams with ARod in the postseason are 15-18 with 2 ALCS losses and 2 first round losses.

ARod's best offensive seasons have come in years where his team was never in a playoff race (2001-02 Rangers, hit 50+ HR's and drove in 135+ Runs in each year, on pace for better than that with the Yankees possibly not making the playoffs this year).

The teams ARod has played for are historically better the season after ARod leaves ('00 Mariners w/ARod 91-71, '01 Mariners w/o ARod 116-46 thats's a 15 game improvement over the previous year. '03 Rangers w/ARod 71-91, '04 Rangers w/o 89-73 18 games better than the previous year!)

ARod is a great player, he will probably break the Home Run record (whatever it is) someday and maybe do what Bonds couldn't and win a championship. But i don't want to see him in a Red Sox uniform.

None of that keeps him from being a winner.

David Ortiz wasn't a winner until the team won a championship in 2003.

Albert Pujols wasn't a winner until his team won a championship last year.

The argument doesn't hold water. Should I assume that Ted Williams isn't a winner because he never won a championship while in Boston? Guess if you had a time machine you'd never want him on your squad.

[NYJets]

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Are we talking about the same Lugo that was hitting below .200 before his recent streak? Honestly there isn't that many possibilities out there for pitching next year that can truly impact the game. There's Smoltz Zambrano Nathan Rivera Schilling Linebrink Jennings Rogers. If Papelbon were to stay closer, that knocks out Nathan and Rivera. I'm sure Linebrink would want to be the main setup guy, you already have Okajima. I'd see Smoltz and Zambrano most likely to stay with their clubs, but there's a possibility for that.

Anyhow, I'd love to see ARod go to a team like the Angels or my very own Giants. He gets absolutely no credit for what hes doing over in the east coast

Yea, that's the problem with spending the money on pitching, there isn't a lot of pitching available.

That's why I laugh when people right that the Yankees should let A-Rod go and spend the money on pitching, like if A-Rod leaves they'll suddenly have Santana and Peavy.

[sportsdude]

Re: A-RODS future?

what do you guys think the Yanks could get for ARod if he was traded before the deadline?

Think they could get Billingsley, Kemp, a couple of prospects and cash from the Dodgers? Or would that be too much?

[NYJets]

Re: A-RODS future?

I don't think it matters because A-Rod has a no trade clause and he has said he won't waive it.

[sportsdude]

Re: A-RODS future?

I don't think it matters because A-Rod has a no trade clause and he has said he won't waive it.

ARod says a lot of things.

[rsox]

Re: A-RODS future?

None of that keeps him from being a winner.

David Ortiz wasn't a winner until the team won a championship in 2003.

Albert Pujols wasn't a winner until his team won a championship last year.

The argument doesn't hold water. Should I assume that Ted Williams isn't a winner because he never won a championship while in Boston? Guess if you had a time machine you'd never want him on your squad.

You don't have to measure being a winner just by winning a championship. Helping your team make it to the World Series and putting up good numbers in the playoffs put you in the winner catagory.

Pujols has led the Cardinals to the post season in 5 of his 6 seasons hitting .323 with 13 HR's and 35 RBI's including two trips to the World Series.

David Ortiz was a nobody, a late spring signing by the Red Sox not an established star before going to Boston. He had only 2 seasons in which he played in 100 games for the Twins one of which they went to the ALCS and Ortiz hit .313 in that series.

Ted Williams played in 1 World Series which is one more then ARod has played in. Plus Williams served his country in WWII which makes him a bigger winner than any one of these players.

Rodriguez folds in the Playoffs he has 3 hits in his last 29 postseason AB's his .280 BA, 6 HR's and 16 RBI's put him last between himself, Pujols and Ortiz.

Pujols and Ortiz have come up big in the postseason even in years their teams didn't win the World Series, Rodriguez has never been to the World Series. So how can a guy who has never even played in the World Series give a team the best chance of winning a championship?.

[Rainey]

Re: A-RODS future?

You don't have to measure being a winner just by winning a championship. Helping your team make it to the World Series and putting up good numbers in the playoffs put you in the winner catagory.

Pujols has led the Cardinals to the post season in 5 of his 6 seasons hitting .323 with 13 HR's and 35 RBI's including two trips to the World Series.

David Ortiz was a nobody, a late spring signing by the Red Sox not an established star before going to Boston. He had only 2 seasons in which he played in 100 games for the Twins one of which they went to the ALCS and Ortiz hit .313 in that series.

Ted Williams played in 1 World Series which is one more then ARod has played in. Plus Williams served his country in WWII which makes him a bigger winner than any one of these players.

Rodriguez folds in the Playoffs he has 3 hits in his last 29 postseason AB's his .280 BA, 6 HR's and 16 RBI's put him last between himself, Pujols and Ortiz.

Pujols and Ortiz have come up big in the postseason even in years their teams didn't win the World Series, Rodriguez has never been to the World Series. So how can a guy who has never even played in the World Series give a team the best chance of winning a championship?.

Because he is the best player in baseball.

[rsox]

Re: A-RODS future?

Because he is the best player in baseball.

He's also a clubhouse cancer. Just ask the 24 children he "adopted" when he played in Texas.

[CMH]

Re: A-RODS future?

You don't have to measure being a winner just by winning a championship. Helping your team make it to the World Series and putting up good numbers in the playoffs put you in the winner catagory.

Pujols has led the Cardinals to the post season in 5 of his 6 seasons hitting .323 with 13 HR's and 35 RBI's including two trips to the World Series.

David Ortiz was a nobody, a late spring signing by the Red Sox not an established star before going to Boston. He had only 2 seasons in which he played in 100 games for the Twins one of which they went to the ALCS and Ortiz hit .313 in that series.

Ted Williams played in 1 World Series which is one more then ARod has played in. Plus Williams served his country in WWII which makes him a bigger winner than any one of these players.

Rodriguez folds in the Playoffs he has 3 hits in his last 29 postseason AB's his .280 BA, 6 HR's and 16 RBI's put him last between himself, Pujols and Ortiz.

Pujols and Ortiz have come up big in the postseason even in years their teams didn't win the World Series, Rodriguez has never been to the World Series. So how can a guy who has never even played in the World Series give a team the best chance of winning a championship?.

So what you're saying is that Alex Rodriguez doesn't want to win every night?

Playoff stats are overrated. If you take guys that have played enough games to measure against their seasonal averages you'd find that nearly every one of them has played to the same ability.

Remember Mr. Jeter? The great playoff hero. His playoff stats are right on par with his seasonal stats.

As for Alex Rodriguez, he hasn't been on enough teams with the talent to win to even measure correctly.

I remember everyone talking about how he left Seattle and then the Mariners became a playoff team. That's bull because they were a playoff team before then. Of course, he goes to Texas and everyone starts believing that he was the reason they sucked. I haven't seen Texas do squat since he left. But that's still not enough for people to realize that Alex Rodriguez isn't this guy that carries around a huge losing attitude that brings everyone down.

Look at David Ortiz this year. Mr. Clutch. Everyone wants to believe this myth that Big Papi becomes Superman in the 9th inning. I tried telling everyone that if you give him enough at-bats you'll see that it's a small sample size. Over time the numbers will adjust to his regular averages. But notice how no one talks about his 9th inning numbers this season. And no one of course talks about Alex's.

It's either they want to believe that this year is an aberration or they refuse to believe the truth - small sample sizes will make you believe anything.

[NYJets]

Re: A-RODS future?

So how can a guy who has never even played in the World Series give a team the best chance of winning a championship?.

So before 2004 you wanted Pedro off the Red Sox since he wasn't a winning player and not worth the money?

Maybe the Red Sox should have traded Pedro for Carl Pavano in the 2003 offseason since Pavano was a winner and Pedro wasn't.

I bet you said Peyton Manning could never win a superbowl too.