Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

[Brandon13]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

Gambling is far worse, imo.

[Beantown]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

Gambling is far worse, imo.

I'm just going to agree to disagree with that point and move on.

If either of these two make it in, while the all-time leader in hits isn't, the HoF has finalized itself as a joke, in my opinion.

[aukevin]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

Put Rose in the HOF when he is dead. His on the field accomplishments deserve to be in the Hall but he does not. The punishment he is living with shows how serious the league is about gambling and they don't need to ease up on that.

The league should have been just as harsh on the steroids, and I hope the guys that are 100% proven guilty for it are kept out of the Hall until at least they are dead. Gambling gave the league a black eye in the past and Rose's punishment shows that they are not going to tolerate that anymore, and I think his punishment speaks volumes towards that. I really hope the black eye steroids has given the game will have the same result. I think the HOF should treat the guilty juicers the same way. Because it is pretty obvious that it is impossible to determine who all in baseball has been juicing, so those that are proven guilty will always have the out that they were competing against guys just like them. So maybe their numbers and accomplishments should be honored in some way, but I don't think those players should see the day that happens.

[ehh]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

I'm just going to agree to disagree with that point and move on.

Mos def.

Plus, IIRC, Rose never gambled as a player. Enshrine him based on his playing career then.

[DrJones]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

This is a touchy subject.

I have a solution. Get rid of the Hall of Fame. It's becoming a joke anyway.

I wholeheartedly agree.

[mgoblue]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

In every MLB club house the early 1900's there have been big signs saying NO BETTING ALLOWED! Rose should never be allowed in the hall.

I disagree...it's not like Bonds or Clemons took these steroids or HGH not thinking they were illegal...I think what they did hurts the integrity of the game worse than what Rose did. Forever now I'll be wondering if a guy is legit or juiced, and it takes away from watching baseball. Rose didn't bet against his team, hell, I think the MLB should have a way so players can bet on their team if they want. If they win they get more cash, why not?

I've felt Rose should be in for a while though, now this should cinch it...That being said, I doubt he ever gets in, he lost his chance when Giamatti died...

[wang_chi7]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

II think the MLB should have a way so players can bet on their team if they want. If they win they get more cash, why not?

As a manager Rose would work his roster to fit his betting, making sure the best pitchers pitch on days he bet and resting them on non-betting days. Same with position players, giving them their rest days on non-betting days. While its not fixing games, its effecting outcomes. Now, if a player/manager would bet on the outcome of a whole season, that would be fine IMO.

[Chief Illinimac]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

As a manager Rose would work his roster to fit his betting, making sure the best pitchers pitch on days he bet and resting them on non-betting days. Same with position players, giving them their rest days on non-betting days. While its not fixing games, its effecting outcomes. Now, if a player/manager would bet on the outcome of a whole season, that would be fine IMO.

It's affecting outcomes because he's managing a certain way. Is that really so different from any other form of managing? He still had incentive to win every game.

[Hootiefish]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

I love it. There has been one cardinal sin in baseball since the 1920's: no betting on baseball. Everyone in baseball has to obey it or face banishment. Everyone.

But when some guy with a bad haircut who just happened to be one of the greatest hitters of all-time breaks the rule, everyone wants to be lenient.

Rose signed his banishment. Deal with it and get over it. God willing, the whiner will never get in.

Comparing the Rose gambling with Bonds/Clemens taking 'roids is like comparing apples and oranges. While they both bring the integrity of the game into question, only one was defined with a well-known punishment.

[HungryBologna]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

I love it. There has been one cardinal sin in baseball since the 1920's: no betting on baseball. Everyone in baseball has to obey it or face banishment. Everyone.

But when some guy with a bad haircut who just happened to be one of the greatest hitters of all-time breaks the rule, everyone wants to be lenient.

Rose signed his banishment. Deal with it and get over it. God willing, the whiner will never get in.

Comparing the Rose gambling with Bonds/Clemens taking 'roids is like comparing apples and oranges. While they both bring the integrity of the game into question, only one was defined with a well-known punishment.

Serious? You are talking about the integrity of the game then compare betting to steroids as apple and oranges? These guys completely cross the line when it comes to integrity. Give me a break. Sure they both did something that was wrong but did Rose ever do anything that gave him a physical advantage? Hmm...

Doing some drugs to enhance your performance is worse than gambling for a few bucks.

[J0nnD0ugh]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

Betting for/against your own team as a player/manager is the absolute worst thing anyone in MLB could do to their sport. It is the one thing no sport can tolerate or be soft with. I wouldn't put Bonds/Clemens/McGwire in the Hall. But I would definitely put them in before Rose.

[Dice]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

Well "technically" steroids were banned by the MLB while Fay Vincent was still the commissioner in 1991.

HOW? There was no official punishment for steriod use until 2004 so how was it banned?

[Brandon13]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

Betting for/against your own team as a player/manager is the absolute worst thing anyone in MLB could do to their sport. It is the one thing no sport can tolerate or be soft with. I wouldn't put Bonds/Clemens/McGwire in the Hall. But I would definitely put them in before Rose.

Agreed.

[mgoblue]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

As a manager Rose would work his roster to fit his betting, making sure the best pitchers pitch on days he bet and resting them on non-betting days. Same with position players, giving them their rest days on non-betting days. While its not fixing games, its effecting outcomes. Now, if a player/manager would bet on the outcome of a whole season, that would be fine IMO.

True....you're right, it's not a good idea...I guess I just think that the drugs taint a player's entire season...

I personally think drugs are more of a taint on the league than gambling. I understand how gambling is so bad, but fail to understand how some people can just not care about these performance enhanced seasons and the HOF. Every pitch or swing of the bat by a player is impacted. The ball is thrown harder, or hit farther than it would have if the player was legit.

[mgoblue]

Re: Ok, NOW does Pete Rose get in?

HOW? There was no official punishment for steriod use until 2004 so how was it banned?

I'm not sure, but weren't prescription drugs banned in 91 or something like that...

and side note, I don't think the HOF needs a rule, they can decide...These guys knew they were breaking the law, and the spirit of the game.

Rose was going to get in but the commish died...bad luck for him, and now he's screwed over.