Best 1-2 Punch in the MLB for 2008?

[SPTO]

Re: Best 1-2 Punch in the MLB for 2008?

Sabathia and Carmona.

However, I think Halladay and Burnett are up there when Burnett is going good which is about 25% of the time.

[Skerik]

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Did someone on the Phillies murder your family or something? Why must you **** on them at every possible opportunity?

Please let me know. If they actually did murder your family, I would cease to support them and join you in trolling the MLB board for Phillies arguments.

[dkgojackets]

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Did someone on the Phillies murder your family or something? Why must you **** on them at every possible opportunity?

Please let me know. If they actually did murder your family, I would cease to support them and join you in trolling the MLB board for Phillies arguments.

Its just that recently phillies people have been promoting average to above average players as gods. Seriously. Brett Myers an elite pitcher?

Unfortunately fans of other teams aren't doing this so I cant find anything to argue. If you find it though let me know and I assure you I will come down the same. Ex: Morris and Rice hall of fame "arguments"

[skitch]

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santana and liriano if the latter can regain his form prior to his injury.

I'm surprised Liriano is even throwing anymore. IMO, and I hate to be this way because I loved watching him pitch, he's done.

Good to see Smoltz and Hudson still holding it down and getting recognition at #10. Although, I'm not sure how Sabathia and Carmona aren't at that #1 spot.

[SPTO]

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I'm surprised Liriano is even throwing anymore. IMO, and I hate to be this way because I loved watching him pitch, he's done.

While I have the same fear as you I think we need to have the benefit of the doubt. The Twins organization did the right thing by shutting him down for over a year and letting him rehab slowly. I think he'll come back to being a pretty good pitcher but he's not going to be the phenom that he was in his rookie year.

[P2K]

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Its just that recently phillies people have been promoting average to above average players as gods. Seriously. Brett Myers an elite pitcher?

Unfortunately fans of other teams aren't doing this so I cant find anything to argue. If you find it though let me know and I assure you I will come down the same. Ex: Morris and Rice hall of fame "arguments"

No, ONE Phillies person has been promoting and that is JBH3.

But since when did Rollins be come just an average to above average player? Brett Myers is garbage now?


Skerik is right. I don't know what a Phillie or a Phils fan did to you, but something's up. You jumped on this like a fly to ****.

[Skerik]

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But since when did Rollins be come just an average to above average player? Brett Myers is garbage now?

Who'd have thought that being the best player at your position in your league only makes you an "above average" player. Bad year for shortstops, I guess?

[dkgojackets]

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No, ONE Phillies person has been promoting and that is JBH3.

This is true in this thread so far.

But since when did Rollins be come just an average to above average player?

You refused to look at statistical evidence in previous threads, I don't know what rehashing information would do now. He is a good player. He is not the best player in the league.

Brett Myers is garbage now?

I didn't say that. I said he is an average pitcher. A career 101 ERA+ confirms that. I said he was not an elite pitcher. An ERA of 3.72 in his best season confirms that. Do you disagree?

Skerik is right. I don't know what a Phillie or a Phils fan did to you, but something's up. You jumped on this like a fly to ****.

So I was the first one in this thread.

You're telling me that you think Hamels and BRETT MYERS make a better pitching combination that Sabathia and Carmona? Peavy and Young? Beckett and Matsuzaka? Santana and Liriano? Smoltz and Hudson? Haren and Webb?

[dkgojackets]

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And for the record, I only bash the Philly arguments that deserve to be bashed (like I do for all arguments). In every MVP thread I've mention Chase Utley as a better candidate, the winner if he didn't get hurt, the best player at his position, and a top candidate for next year.

What team does he play for?

I said Cole Hamels was a top pitcher in the NL.

What team does he play for?

[JBH3]

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I really think that a 24 yr old Cole Hamels and a slimmed down improved more experienced Brett Myers can dominate in 2008. I would say that those two can get 35 wins (maybe more), and that Cole Hamels will be a 20 game winner this year. So excuse me for voting for the Phillies duo.

[P2K]

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This is true in this thread so far.

You don't see any of us creating these threads, so...

You refused to look at statistical evidence in previous threads, I don't know what rehashing information would do now. He is a good player. He is not the best player in the league.

Who said he was? Putting words in my mouth now?

I didn't say that. I said he is an average pitcher. A career 101 ERA+ confirms that. I said he was not an elite pitcher. An ERA of 3.72 in his best season confirms that. Do you disagree?

Average pitchers don't get close to 15 wins almost every year. He's a good pitcher. Nothing more, but definitely not less. He's a dangerous pitcher to face.

So I was the first one in this thread.

You're telling me that you think Hamels and BRETT MYERS make a better pitching combination that Sabathia and Carmona? Peavy and Young? Beckett and Matsuzaka? Santana and Liriano? Smoltz and Hudson? Haren and Webb?

And you jumped at JBH3 (I'm sure you saw the name). He didn't even say Hamels and Myers should be top 5 or anything. Everyone else noticed the rest of the list. Not you, though.

And I don't think Hamels and Myers is all that. We'll see this upcoming season, but they aren't anything to sneeze at.

Look, I'll buy a Phils hat, spit on it and take a pic of it for ya. Will that keep you from downing everything Phillies from now on, huh?

[theaub]

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I know Halladay and Burnett aren't #1, but Brad Penny and Chad Billingsley over them? Scott Kazmir and James Shields? Are you kidding me?

[dkgojackets]

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You don't see any of us creating these threads, so...

No, but you do participate in them.

Who said he was? Putting words in my mouth now?

You did when you agreed that he should be MVP.

Average pitchers don't get close to 15 wins almost every year. He's a good pitcher. Nothing more, but definitely not less. He's a dangerous pitcher to face.

If you are using wins to measure how good a pitcher is then I don't know how to respond. Besides, the most wins he's ever gotten in a season is 13. Thirteen wins in a season on a team with an offense as good as the Phillies is extremely average. Jamie Moyer got 14 wins last year with an ERA over 5. Look at his career stats. He defines average.

And you jumped at JBH3 (I'm sure you saw the name). He didn't even say Hamels and Myers should be top 5 or anything.

What thread are you reading? He's made five posts that say he voted for Hamels/Myers.

Everyone else noticed the rest of the list. Not you, though.

OK. I guess I just guessed Smoltz/Hudson would be ranked tenth on my own.

And I don't think Hamels and Myers is all that.

Good for you. I agree.

We'll see this upcoming season,

We will.

but they aren't anything to sneeze at.

I agree here too. I said Hamels was one of the top pitchers in the NL. My argument though is that they don't have a case for the best 1-2 punch in baseball, and it seems that you agree with that.

Look, I'll buy a Phils hat, spit on it and take a pic of it for ya.

If you want to, I'm not stopping you.

Will that keep you from downing everything Phillies from now on, huh?

I don't down everything Phillies. Make a thread about how Chase Utley is the best second baseman in the game and I'll come in and agree 100%.

[Sully]

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A few things...

1. My vote goes for Sabathia and Carmona, with Peavy and Young a close second.

2. Who the hell is skitch?

3. DK, I like you, but you're quickly becoming the most annoying poster at OS, man. Chill out. You're making the Pro Baseball forum damn near unreadable.

[Sandman42]

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I voted for Sabathia and Carmona with Webb and Haren coming in a close second.

I think skitch is Kredit.