Clemens.. Cheating other ways now??

[crques]

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Now they are saying he slept with John Daly's ex-wife, and that he flew several women around on his private jet to watch him pitch. Clemens, and I understand it may not be true but if it is true, is certainly starting to sound like a real scumbag.

Here is the link...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba..._dalys_ex.html

WOW...........the allegations keep coming!! I guess when it rains, it pours. Wonder what all the Clemens fans are saying now about their "Golden Boy?" Personally, I never have liked him and his arrogance, but I did used to respect him as a person and player. All that has certainly flown out the window now.

On a side note, you would honestly think that a MLB pitcher would have far better looking women to choose from than the 2 involved in the "alleged" affairs. This guy must have been desperate.

[MassNole]

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At least on the plus side Red Sox and Yankees fans can't sling mud at each other over this since he seems to have been a douche bag in both cities between nailing jailbait and steroids.

[crques]

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At least on the plus side Red Sox and Yankees fans can't sling mud at each other over this since he seems to have been a douche bag in both cities between nailing jailbait and steroids.

[SidVish]

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I want to believe Clemens.

[ZB9]

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yall are going to judge a man and call him a "scumbag" because he got with some women when he was young? Are you kidding me? I dont get it. Is this revenge of the nerds or something?

what does any of this have to do with the steriod question at hand? None of this will make a difference in the suit. The only reason to release this stuff is to get Roger to drop the trial against McNamee, but that obviously is not going to happen.

[Brandon13]

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Lol, this **** is so stupid. It has nothing to do with anything regarding Clemens and HGH.

[The Chef]

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Just to throw this out there, Clemens is suing McNamee for defamation, thus McNamee has to prove that Clemens' character wasnt damaged by what was said because, quite frankly, his chracter wasnt that good to begin with. People can say what they want about McNamee bringing this up and how it doesnt mean anything but dont forget, Clemens attorney brought up the following to discredit McNamee...

"In an effort to discredit McNamee in January, Hardin circulated information about a 2001 incident in Florida where McNamee was investigated for sexual assault but was never charged."

So this works both ways, we can say it has nothing to do with it but it really does in the end. Lastly, the guy is a scumbag, if he is sleeping around on his wife, I consider that a scumbag thing to do, it doesnt take much for anyone to see that unless you condone cheating on your spouse. Clemens also gets more grief because he is always portrayed at such a family man and remember, thats why he needed the private jet written into the last two contracts with Houston and NY. The real question is, were those private jets for the family in reality or was he using them to fly his women around, like as reported, to watch him pitch?

[ZB9]

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as far as judging someone, im not very judgemental to start with, but im certainly not going to judge someone's social life and relationships spanning over 25 years when i dont know the situations surrounding them.

It is between Clemens and his family, and is none of my business. Again, this has nothing to do with the steroid question at hand.

all of you holier than thou saints keep on throwing stones though. I hope none of yall live in glass houses.

[SlimKibbles]

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Nice column on a comparison between Pete Rose and Roger Clemens...

Rocket another Rose
BY PAUL DAUGHERTY | ENQUIRER.COM

In the summer of 1989, Pete Rose could make the truth dance the rhumba. Give Rose a few minutes, he’d have you believing he never bet on baseball and Shoeless Joe was the Reds leadoff hitter. You had to smack yourself upside the head after those conversations, literally, to remember the evidence to the contrary, which was damning.

Same with Roger Clemens. I watched Clemens shimmy-shake with the truth on 60 Minutes, and I started swaying to the music. The head-smack came sooner, though, than it had 19 years earlier.

Clemens’ barrel-chested arrogance since the release of the Mitchell Report looks exactly like Rose’s lost decade after Aug. 24, 1989. On 60 Minutes, Clemens stuck out his chin so far, I believe it clocked Mike Wallace right between the eyes.

The Hit King and The Rocket: Twin sons of different mothers.

The same arrogance and hyper-competitiveness that made Rose great on the field, undid him off it. The same unbounded ego that convinced Pete he was bigger than the game left him sitting in Las Vegas hotel lobbies, outside the game’s arms, earning a living signing his name.

There is something in a great athlete’s mental DNA that causes him to believe he can win any contest if he just keeps at it long enough. Rose thought he could outlast the betting charges, same as he outlasted Ty Cobb. Watching Rose deny for a decade what most assumed was true was no different than watching him bone his bats in the clubhouse.

Clemens is riding the same train.

Don’t believe it? Talk to someone who knows.

“(Clemens) is Pete Rose to a T,’’ Paul Janszen said Thursday. Janszen was Rose’s close friend, workout partner and senior bobo, until Rose stiffed him on some money he owed Janszen . Janszen spilled his knowledge to John Dowd, who made his case with it.

“Certain athletes become larger than the game in the fans eyes, and in their own eyes,’’ said Janszen . “(Rose) was always above it all. He thought no one would ever dare to question him. It’s the same mentality Clemens is (showing) in the Congressional hearings and on 60 Minutes.’’

In many ways, Janszen was to Rose who Brian McNamee was to Clemens. Each was an ordinary guy who befriended, enabled and bobo-ed a superstar player. Each was star-struck at first, then fiercely loyal. “I felt an obligation to protect Pete, and his image,’’ Janszen said.

Eventually, each turned on his famous friend. Janszen wanted his money, then did what he felt was right; McNamee wanted to stay out of prison.

“It’s not just athletes,’’ Janszen said. “It’s politicians, celebrities. People who think they’re bigger than the institution. “When competition becomes obsessive, when nothing matters (but) winning, not even integrity or honesty, that gets you in the pickle those guys are in.’’

Clemens’ pickle just got juicier. Women have emerged to acknowledge their relationships with The Rocket. This after Clemens sued McNamee for defamation of character. Because I’m Rocket and you’re not, and honestly, who’s the public going to believe?

Maybe Brian McNamee, as it turns out. “Guys that lie don’t go into detail,’’ Janszen said. “McNamee goes into detail.’’

Clemens asks you to believe that everyone else is wrong. Andy Pettitte “misremembered’’ his friend’s use of performance enhancers. McNamee is a disloyal liar. The women? Just friends. It was his wife, Clemens asserted, who used HGH. Not Roger.

You could assume Clemens is innocent. Same as you could have assumed Rose’s innocence. Rose was guilty in the people’s court long before he gave up the ghost. Clemens’ train is heading in the same direction.

One thing puzzles Paul Janszen: Clemens and his lawyers have to be familiar with Rose’s case. Why have they chosen the same course? They’ve seen how the public has accepted Pettitte’s admission and apology, how the public has forgiven (or maybe forgotten) Jason Giambi. Didn’t Clemens learn anything?

When pride and ego are doing the only talking, the result is rarely pretty.

[The Chef]

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as far as judging someone, im not very judgemental to start with, but im certainly not going to judge someone's social life and relationships spanning over 25 years when i dont know the situations surrounding them.

It is between Clemens and his family, and is none of my business. Again, this has nothing to do with the steroid question at hand.

all of you holier than thou saints keep on throwing stones though. I hope none of yall live in glass houses.

You must be a Clemens fan then, because that argument is really ridiculous. If a guy cheats on his wife, multiple times, what does it matter the situation? If they were seperated, which has never been reported, that would be the only time you could possibly defend him, but considering the affairs have lasted years there is no argument. If you are willing to ignore it for the sake of liking Clemens then thats your right, but it doesnt discount it. In terms of glass houses, Ive never cheated on even a girlfriend, not once, and Ive never taken any type of steroid so I guess Im pretty safe there as well.

Again, this came up due to the defamation lawsuit against McNamee brought by Clemens and his attorney, it was initiated by Clemens and now McNamee's attorneys are attempting to prove that Clemens' chracter wasnt good before hand. If you are tired of hearing about it then blame Clemens, his defamaton lawsuit opened up the floodgates for this information to become public consumption.

EDIT- Thinking about, you must be a hard core Clemens fan to be able to turn a blind eye to him possibly sleeping with an underage girl, because there is absolutly zero excuses for that, period.

[ZB9]

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Clemens "fan" or not...id put his character and credibility up against McNamee's any day.

but again, these allegations are not material to the defamation suit. Clemens is suing McNamee. It is McNamee facing trial, not Clemens. This probably wont even be allowed in court.

but dont take my word for it. Professor Geoffrey Stone of the University of Chicago Law School, a nationally recognized expert on First Amendment and defamation issues states: "It is not at all obvious to me how something like this could ever be admissible in the trial of his defamation case."

is Geoffrey Stone a Clemens fan also?

Bottom line: The evidence of any romance will not be admissible if the Clemens defamation case ever progresses to a trial.

McNamee's lawyers obviously have the ears of many members of the media. The reason they are releasing this type of information is to get Clemens to drop the case against McNamee to prevent any more "dirt" from coming out in public. They know "Mac" is going to get killed in court and want the case dropped.

as far as your "she was 15" comment...she has known the Clemens for a while and still does. If they had an affair, who knows what age she was when it started? Personally, i usually tend to refrain from assuming something until the actual facts come out. Call me crazy.

anyway, there has obviously been a lot of digging going on. It is interesting that they havent been able to find more "dirt" considering it's over 25 or so years of a man's life.

[The Chef]

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Out of curiosity, how can Clemens really sue him for defamation when he is currently being investigated for lying about taking steroids? For Clemens to win doesnt he have to prove that what McNamee said was false, and thereby have to prove that he never took steroids? If so, I dont see how he can provide anymore evidence that he didnt take steroids then have already been provided to show that he has. So, is this all a publicity stunt to show that he really cares about whats going on and to try and take his public appeal of innocence to another level? Personally, Ive never liked Clemens, but this defamation suit seems like nothing more then a publicity stunt to show how serious he is that he didnt do steroids, but in the end it doesnt do anything.

[SlimKibbles]

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ZB, your p.o.v. is not very objective with all of this.

I've never liked Clemens and, as more of this comes out, he comes off as being more of a scumbag than he was before. Quote from the article I posted: "... Clemens asks you to believe that everyone else is wrong. Andy Pettitte 'misremembered' his friend’s use of performance enhancers. McNamee is a disloyal liar. The women? Just friends. It was his wife, Clemens asserted, who used HGH. Not Roger. ..." What a guy. I don't think McNamee has any reason to lie. Clemens is the kind of guy who will throw anybody under the bus just to save himself. Why should we believe him?

PS - For the record just so it's out there, despite Cincinnati's fascination with Pete Rose, I'm not much of a fan of his either.

[ZB9]

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ZB, your p.o.v. is not very objective with all of this.

yea being in some of the circles that ive been in, and knowing what i know about the man (which is quite a bit, and i would guess more than you)...the "scumbag" comments seem absolutely ridiculous to me.

I've never liked Clemens

not suprising

as more of this comes out, he comes off as being more of a scumbag than he was before. Quote from the article I posted: "... Clemens asks you to believe that everyone else is wrong. Andy Pettitte 'misremembered' his friend’s use of performance enhancers. McNamee is a disloyal liar. The women? Just friends. It was his wife, Clemens asserted, who used HGH. Not Roger. ..." What a guy. I don't think McNamee has any reason to lie. Clemens is the kind of guy who will throw anybody under the bus just to save himself. Why should we believe him?

go ahead and let newspaper writers and editors shape your opinion on someone's "character".

personally, ive actually got enough background information for myself, that i dont need to buy everything i see in the paper. Im also aware of intentions when i do read such articles in the paper.

[SlimKibbles]

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yea being in some of the circles that ive been in, and knowing what i know about the man (which is quite a bit, and i would guess more than you)...the "scumbag" comments seem absolutely ridiculous to me.

The glasses blind one to a lot of things.

not suprising

I didn't have much of a problem with the guy until he started signing the ridiculous contracts with the Astros and Yankees. I was neutral until that point. Then this crap started up and his true colors began to show.

go ahead and let newspaper writers and editors shape your opinion on someone's "character".

personally, ive actually got enough background information for myself, that i dont need to buy everything i see in the paper. Im also aware of intentions when i do read such articles in the paper.

I hate the media. I really do. But this guy makes an interesting comparison. He has always seemed rather objective, at least to me. The guy is bashing on Pete Rose, which is typically a no-no around here. If he wants to make a comparison between the two, he's going to do it. If you look at everything, he makes some good points. Again, why would McNamee go into detail but lie about it? Andy Pettitte has always been a stand-up guy. Why would he lie? Who throws their wife under a bus to save their own ***?