CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

[Perceptor]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

The guy won back-to-back World Series Titles....'nuff said.

I agree with the sentiments on JP - I was initially excited when he took over promising changes and he has done jack....he made excuses that he didn't have the payroll to compete and when the chequebook opened, he couldn't do it either. I remember his vision was a 5-year plan to rebuild the team and after 7 years, the Jays are still in the same boat they were in.

JP's lack of class and moronic comments to me suggest that he should be canned. This season is a disaster and a lot of the blame falls on him

[CoRruPt-]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

Not trying to defend JP or whatever, but he never came in saying he had a 5-year plan. I tried to find articles on it... but everything had the media/Paul Godfrey saying that. He came in with the promise of improving this club. But even then I don't know if he lived up to that... the Gord Ash era just had so much more promise in terms of the farm talent than in the Riccardi era.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

JP is the worst GM in baseball by a landslide. How many GM's do you know that have payed 3 players to play somewhere else because of riduculous contracts given by him. (Koskie, Hinske and Thomas) Or give .500 pitchers a rich 5 year contract that only includes an opt out clause for the pitcher after year 3. (Burnett) So if Burnett breaks out (which he hasn't) he leaves and if he stinks badly we're on the hook for 2 more years.

The 3 main peices of the team (Rios, Wells and halliday) are from the previous regime and he gives out a ridiculous contract to a moderate above average player (Wells) not a great player, an moderately above average player who will never come close to earning that contract, no to mention one more year of stinking it up will mean he becomes untradeable.

Let's not forget the biggest bonehead move of them all. With the 6th pick of the draft and Troy Tulowitzki available to a team that had a hole at SS, JP ignores the pleas of his scouts to take him and instead drafts P Ricky Romero who has had trouble pitching in AA ball. JP's reasoning for passing on Tulowitzki, who has Hall of Famer written all over him, well JP thought it would be a wasted pick because Russ Adams was thier SS of the future. You remember Russ, the guy who had more throwing errors than hits in his brief MLB career which mercifully appears to be ending. The same Russ Adams who scouts told JP had a weak arm but JP thought that was a minor thing that could be worked around.

[WazzuRC]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

JP's reasoning for passing on Tulowitzki, who has Hall of Famer written all over him, well JP thought it would be a wasted pick because Russ Adams was thier SS of the future..

Jeter's overrated but Tulowitzki is a future hall of famer.

[Vince]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

Uh, outside of Travis Snider, their farm still sucks.

And Adam Lind. We havea lot of guys who've been rotting in Double and Triple A for a while...Just waiting to be called up.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

Jeter's overrated but Tulowitzki is a future hall of famer.

You obviously don't watch much baseball. You're right I was wrong on 2 points. Jeter is not overrated, he is extremely overrated and right now Tulowitzki (even injured, notice how the Rockies have gone into the tank without him) ) is the better player and defensively Jeter is not even in the same ballpark.

[WazzuRC]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

You obviously don't watch much baseball. You're right I was wrong on 2 points. Jeter is not overrated, he is extremely overrated and right now Tulowitzki (even injured, notice how the Rockies have gone into the tank without him) ) is the better player and defensively Jeter is not even in the same ballpark.

I don't watch much baseball? I hate the Yankees like almost everyone else but come on man, put the crack rock down.

Jeter - 4 Rings, ROY, World Series MVP, 3 Gold Gloves, 5th in career avg. of active players.

Tulowitzki- 1 year in the bigs, 2nd place in ROY.

Yeah, you got me. Tulo definitely is a surefire first ballot HOF'er.

[WazzuRC]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

By the way, the Rockies "went in the tank" when Tulo got injured? They were 11-16 before his injury. But don't be confused by facts or anything.

[Sandman42]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

Jeter's career - .316/..386/.459
Tulo Home - .299/.364/.497
Tulo Road - .236/.310/.357

I'll give you that Tulowitzki is better in the field than Jeter, but LOL at you claiming Tulo is a future HOFer. Even when hitting at home in Coors, his numbers barely match Jeter's career. But, when he's hitting away from Coors he's hitting like Adam Everett.

Also have you ever figured that the Rockies completely overachieved last year with that huge winning streak where they went a lucky 7-1 in games decided by 2 runs or less. I think everyone saw them falling back to Earth this year with a healthy Tulo or not.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

I'm happy about this move because it probably wasn't JP's decision. JP will likely be gone after this season. The Jays have yet to play one meaningful game in September since he became the GM. He's not a terrible GM but he's also not good either. When he interviewed for the job, he told Godfrey he could win with a 50 million dollar budget and build the team through the draft. While the past couple of drafts have looked better, his first 4 were awful. He has only produced one position player (Hill) during his tenure. Not only is he not a good gm, he talks down to the fans. Just because we're Canadian, this doesn't mean we don't know baseball. I stopped listening to WWJP because of it.

There are several good candidates out there. I would love to see the Jays interview Jed Hoyer from the Red Sox. Login White and Kim Ng should also be contacted. But besides picking a GM, the Jays need to spend more on the draft and international free agents. There is no punishment for going over slot in the draft outside of a phone call from one of Bud Selig's assistants.

[SPTO]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

There are several good candidates out there. I would love to see the Jays interview Jed Hoyer from the Red Sox. Login White and Kim Ng should also be contacted. But besides picking a GM, the Jays need to spend more on the draft and international free agents. There is no punishment for going over slot in the draft outside of a phone call from one of Bud Selig's assistants.

AF you're not going to like it but the Jays look like they're going to go more in the mold of a Walt Jocketty type GM. So you're probably going to see an older guy who skews more toward "tools" and aggressive hitting rather then sabremetrics and OBP etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jays made a call to the Twins and ask for permission to talk to Terry Ryan. (who I thought they should've hired in the first place)

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

AF you're not going to like it but the Jays look like they're going to go more in the mold of a Walt Jocketty type GM. So you're probably going to see an older guy who skews more toward "tools" and aggressive hitting rather then sabremetrics and OBP etc etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the Jays made a call to the Twins and ask for permission to talk to Terry Ryan. (who I thought they should've hired in the first place)

Considering how bad the Jays bats already are, I wouldn't want Terry Ryan as the GM. I'm a sabremetrics guy so I would lean towards a more sabremetrics GM than an old school type.

One other name I left out earlier is Paul DePodesta. The media ran him out of town when he was with the Dodgers but I think he would make a great GM. I know he originally turned down the chance to interview for the Jays GM position but he would probably jump at a chance to be GM after this season. Chris Antonetti is another guy I like but there's no indication he wants to leave the Indians.

The Jays need a GM that will do a good of building through the draft and signing international free agents. He also has to be able to convince ownership to put more money towards these areas and well as hiring more/better scouts. The Jays have been stuck in neutral far too long. I know this would be an extremely unpopular move, but the Jays should explore trading Roy Halladay after the season. He's the only guy on the current roster that would bring back good prospects/young players in return. Billy Beane has been able to rebuild/reload with the A's and I would like to see the Jays do the same thing.

[SPTO]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

AF, you're barking up the wrong tree. The Jays are going to go in a completely different direction then the one you want. One thing that has been talked a lot since Cito came back is that he's not a SABR guy and while this could only be short term there's a chance he may want to stick around longer. (2-4 years i'm sure) Cito and his staff are cut out of the old school cloth you can't have a GM (JP is as good as gone) with a completely different mindset. It's not like the old school style doesn't work in today's MLB because the Twins have defied the odds and even more impressively the Cardinals are playing amazing baseball. I think Paul Godfrey may have finally learned that the Sabrmetric philosophy doesn't fit the history and overall structure of the Toronto Blue Jays franchise.

I could be totally wrong on this but if Cito has this team playing well above .500 then there's going to be a total sea change in how the organization is run.

Besides, I'd rather see 5 tool players rather then the more boring Oakland A's/Boston Red Sox style which has games routinely lasting over 3 hrs.

[allBthere]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

Now all we need is Mitch Williams and Joe Carter back playing and I'll be 13 all over again lol.

I am playing baseball this summer for the first time in forever, and i'm using my old joe carter signature slugger bat, and joe carter signature series glove. the bat just brock though, probably because it is 15 years old. The glove's fine though.

but yeah, we should yank rance's arse out of the booth and get him back down there too. time for them to finally play some baseball again.

ps. this news made me extremely happy, and feeling good about the jays again. It's nice to like the personel that are on your team.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

Re: CITO'S HOME!!!!!!

AF, you're barking up the wrong tree. The Jays are going to go in a completely different direction then the one you want. One thing that has been talked a lot since Cito came back is that he's not a SABR guy and while this could only be short term there's a chance he may want to stick around longer. (2-4 years i'm sure) Cito and his staff are cut out of the old school cloth you can't have a GM (JP is as good as gone) with a completely different mindset. It's not like the old school style doesn't work in today's MLB because the Twins have defied the odds and even more impressively the Cardinals are playing amazing baseball. I think Paul Godfrey may have finally learned that the Sabrmetric philosophy doesn't fit the history and overall structure of the Toronto Blue Jays franchise.

I could be totally wrong on this but if Cito has this team playing well above .500 then there's going to be a total sea change in how the organization is run.

Besides, I'd rather see 5 tool players rather then the more boring Oakland A's/Boston Red Sox style which has games routinely lasting over 3 hrs.

Are you talking about the boring Red Sox that have won 2 World Series in the past 4 years? Or the A's who field a competitive team almost every season?

While the Red Sox are associated with sabrmetrics, they are 4th in the league in stolen bases this season. The Red Sox lineup is basically flawless. They have power, patience, speed, and hit for average.

While I place more value in Sabrmetrics than most people, if I was in charge of the draft, I would lean more towards the toolsy prospects than the polished low ceiling one's.