Dunn traded to D'Backs

[Coug00]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Explain to me why teams like Tampa didnt want him or why the Yankees wanted Nady instead of Dunn.

Who says they didn't? Maybe they weren't willing to give up much for him since he's a rent-a-player.

Raul Ibanez is still with Seattle. Does that mean teams don't want him? Nope, it just means for once the Mariners made the correct move and held their ground. 2 good prospects or they're not dealing him since he'll decline arbitration and become a free agent and he's easily a Type A free agent.

The funny thing about arbitration is that 90% of the players who are arbitration eligible either sign with the same team or a new team before the arbitration deadline even occurs. How often do you see teams sign away free agents before the arbitration deadline occurs (thereby automatically giving the team compensatory picks if they're a Type A or B)? All the time.

Dunn will either sign a deal with Arizona or somewhere else and Zona will get the picks. Money is less valuable than prospects in MLB right now. And Arizona is one the best run franchises in baseball and they just got the upperhand on Cincy.

[CMH]

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For some reason, GMs don't like Dunn. Say it's the batting average, say it's this ridiculous notion that he's lazy (what does that mean, really?), but they don't like him.

When a guy like J.P. Ricciardi says he does not want Adam Dunn, then you know something is wrong. This is the same J.P. that has talked about building a team on power and getting on base. Umm, yea, is that not what Adam Dunn does? I do not get it, but he is the G.M. and he will be out of a job soon enough, anyway.

Despite the rise in saber-heads, most GMs, though they will say this is not true, are still not completely enamored by saber-stats. They will cry that they are, that they are progressing and accepting improvements to player evaluation, but the truth is, it still comes down to three stats for them: batting average, RBI, and homeruns. Dunn, unfortunately, does not impress with the batting average and yea, as a result, he has less RBI.

If Dunn is looking for $100-120 million in a free agent deal, he better hope that's for 30 years or he's going to be taking a seat next to Barry Bonds. There is no way Adam Dunn gets anything better than a $65 million, 5 year contract, and if he does, it will only be because it includes an option year.

I bet he signs with an American League team this offseason and the price is $50 million for 4 years.

[snepp]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Nice to see that ESPN is continues to employ the inept.

Chris Singleton on Adam Dunn, "...and because of the strikeouts he'll post low on base and slugging percentages."

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...eton-said-what

Seriously now, is it really all that difficult to do the tiniest bit of homework for a job where you are supposedly a "professional analyst"?

[kayfngee]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Explain to me why teams like Tampa didnt want him or why the Yankees wanted Nady instead of Dunn.

The Yankees needed another right handed hitter, not a left-handed hitter.

[CMH]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Nice to see that ESPN is continues to employ the inept.

Chris Singleton on Adam Dunn, "...and because of the strikeouts he'll post low on base and slugging percentages."

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index...eton-said-what

Seriously now, is it really all that difficult to do the tiniest bit of homework for a job where you are supposedly a "professional analyst"?

This is unacceptable. This did not even require that he be a stat-head to care.

He actually mentions Dunn's OBP and SLG as if they were terrible. There is no excuse. Horrible.

What program was this on?

[snepp]

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What program was this on?

Baseball Tonight I believe.

[rsox]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

If you consider the fact that Adam Dunn and Mark Teixeira will be the youngest (29) proven power hitters on the free agent market this winter it is not that hard to believe that he will get a big money contract somewhere.

Despite the mediocre BA and the high strikeouts Dunn is tied for the ML lead in BB's. Has walked at least 100 times in 4 straight seasons and has 4 straight 40+ Home Run seasons-both should become 5 straight at seasons end.

And please, do not evaluate a player based on whether or not J.P. Ricciardi wants them on his team. This is the same guy who gave A.J. Burnett a guaranteed $55 million dollar contract and refused to put club escape clauses in the deal-even at the requset of both Burnett and his agent. Ricciardi's not the best judge either.

[CMH]

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And please, do not evaluate a player based on whether or not J.P. Ricciardi wants them on his team. This is the same guy who gave A.J. Burnett a guaranteed $55 million dollar contract and refused to put club escape clauses in the deal-even at the requset of both Burnett and his agent. Ricciardi's not the best judge either.

No one evaluated Dunn based on J.P.

The issue is that Dunn, for some absurd reason (probably because GMs are idiots) isn't even well-liked by a GM (J.P.) that should like everything that Dunn is about in baseball.

That's cause for concern if you're Dunn and you're trying to sell yourself. It's like a GM in basketball that loves dunks saying he doesn't like Michael Jordan.

[UnorthodoxSTAT]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

They got him for that sweet .230 average he was rockin' in Cincy. :wink:

AVG is an overrated statistic. It's all about the OBP% folks.

[PhantomPain]

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AVG is an overrated statistic. It's all about the OBP% folks.

Unless you are looking at your sig

[TheLetterZ]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Explain to me why teams like Tampa didnt want him or why the Yankees wanted Nady instead of Dunn.

Who says they didn't? Arizona put in a claim for him; hence, it was Arizona who traded for him.

[jake44np]

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Who says they didn't? Arizona put in a claim for him; hence, it was Arizona who traded for him.

And again it is pretty common knowledge here in Cincy that the Reds had been trying to trade Dunn all year with no luck.

[CMH]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

And again it is pretty common knowledge here in Cincy that the Reds had been trying to trade Dunn all year with no luck.

Yes.

It is also possible that other teams realize that Dunn is going to be a free agent and somewhat affordable, given that most G.M.s will ignore what makes him good.

So, why trade away prospects when you can just sign him?

[jake44np]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Yes.

It is also possible that other teams realize that Dunn is going to be a free agent and somewhat affordable, given that most G.M.s will ignore what makes him good.

So, why trade away prospects when you can just sign him?

Because they could have had him this year to help them win.
Also signing him will cost you 2 draft picks, which are close to the same as prospects.

[Coug00]

Re: Dunn traded to D'Backs

Because they could have had him this year to help them win.
Also signing him will cost you 2 draft picks, which are close to the same as prospects.

Signing him won't cost you two draft picks, only one.

What was Cincy demanding for him earlier in the year? You can't just assume since he wasn't moved before that he isn't valuable or in demand. There are plenty of very good players that are very difficult to move because teams aren't giving up on prospects easily.