Cubs get Heilman

[BunnyHardaway]

Re: Cubs get Heilman

I thought Olson was out of options, I kept reading that at the time of the Pie-Olson trade. I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure he's out of options. If he isn't out of options, well that just makes this trade look worse...

He should have plenty of options. He's only been called up to Baltimore twice, and was promoted 3 other times.

[Coug00]

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He should have plenty of options. He's only been called up to Baltimore twice, and was promoted 3 other times.

He definitely has 1 remaining.

[rsox]

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They will need another IF now as they only have 6 on their 40 man roster that I can see.

Luis Rivas and Andres Blanco are going to spring training as non-roster invites with the Cubs.

[poster]

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The difference is that the Mariners traded for potential (at a very cheap price), where as the Cubs picked up a 30 year old, 2-pitch 5th starter/middle reliever who is heading into the expensive part of his arbitration years.

Cedeno and Olson aren't going to be all-stars, but I'm not sure why Chicago is giving up on two players who dominated AAA, but have struggled in only 445 AB's and 165 IP (at the MLB level), respectively.

You have a good point. I can speak more from experience with Cedeno. Like Pie he just seems to be a 4A player that is in-between. He just doesn't have any consistency, and I don't think Lou likes him that much. He is also out of options, so teams can take advantage factoring all of that in like Seattle did here. For them, why not make the trade. A change of scenery might help. The same could be said about Olson as well I guess.

Hendry has always like Heilman, not sure why, but he does. :-)

Luis Rivas and Andres Blanco are going to spring training as non-roster invites with the Cubs.

Thanks for the info.

[Sandman42]

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He should have plenty of options. He's only been called up to Baltimore twice, and was promoted 3 other times.

Options doesn't mean how many times you were called up. Once a player is added to the 40 man roster, that starts his option clock which is 3 years I think. He can be sent up and down an unlimited number of times within those 3 years. After those 3 years are up, then he is out of options.

[AUTiger1]

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Options doesn't mean how many times you were called up. Once a player is added to the 40 man roster, that starts his option clock which is 3 years I think. He can be sent up and down an unlimited number of times within those 3 years. After those 3 years are up, then he is out of options.

Nope that's not right. I remember from 2007 when the Braves had to send Julio Franco down to the minors they said he had never used up any of his minor league options. They were able to send him down without having to put him on waivers. I don't exactly know how that works. I gave up trying to understand it several years ago.

[snepp]

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Sandman was basically right, he just didn't specify that those options get used if a player doesn't make team out of spring training.

Basically...

1. Player gets drafted, after 3 years of professional service time they have to be added to the 40-man roster or they're eligible for the Rule 5 draft (it's after 4 years if they're 19? or younger when drafted).

2. Once placed on the 40-man they use an "option" each season that they don't make the 25-man roster out of spring training, or get sent down during the season. If a player makes the major league club in their first go-around they never use an option, that's how 15-year vets can have multiple options remaining.

3. Players out of options need to clear waivers before demotion. Players with more than 5 years of major league service time can refuse assignment to the minors (even if they have options left).

Let's say Joe Typical got drafted last June out of college, he's 21.

- Played the 2008 year in rookie ball, has half a year of professional service time
- Plays the 2009, 2010, and 2011 years in A, A+, and AA, has 3.5 years of service time
- Gets added to the 40-man to avoid the Rule 5 draft
- Goes to spring training in 2012, doesn't make the club, sent to AAA, uses an option year (1 of 3)
- Goes to spring training in 2013, doesn't make the club, sent to AAA, uses an option year (2 of 3)
- Goes to spring training in 2014, makes the club, later sent to AAA, uses an option year (3 of 3)
- Goes to spring training in 2015, out of options, either makes the team for good or needs to clear waivers to get sent down


(some small details may be off, hopefully my cliff notes version doesn't confuse people even more)

[AUTiger1]

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Sandman was basically right, he just didn't specify that those options get used if a player doesn't make team out of spring training.

Basically...

1. Player gets drafted, after 3 years of professional service time they have to be added to the 40-man roster or they're eligible for the Rule 5 draft (it's after 4 years if they're 19? or younger when drafted).

2. Once placed on the 40-man they use an "option" each season that they don't make the 25-man roster out of spring training, or get sent down during the season. If a player makes the major league club in their first go-around they never use an option, that's how 15-year vets can have multiple options remaining.

3. Players out of options need to clear waivers before demotion. Players with more than 5 years of major league service time can refuse assignment to the minors (even if they have options left).

Let's say Joe Typical got drafted last June out of college, he's 21.

- Played the 2008 year in rookie ball, has half a year of professional service time
- Plays the 2009, 2010, and 2011 years in A, A+, and AA, has 3.5 years of service time
- Gets added to the 40-man to avoid the Rule 5 draft
- Goes to spring training in 2012, doesn't make the club, sent to AAA, uses an option year (1 of 3)
- Goes to spring training in 2013, doesn't make the club, sent to AAA, uses an option year (2 of 3)
- Goes to spring training in 2014, makes the club, later sent to AAA, uses an option year (3 of 3)
- Goes to spring training in 2015, out of options, either makes the team for good or needs to clear waivers to get sent down


(some small details may be off, hopefully my cliff notes version doesn't confuse people even more)

Okay thanks. Very easy to understand.

[feedmeccc]

Re: Cubs get Heilman

Looks like the Cubs are about to trade Rich Hill to the Orioles for a player to be named later.

[fugazi]

Re: Cubs get Heilman

billy ripken?

[BunnyHardaway]

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Looks like the Cubs are about to trade Rich Hill to the Orioles for a player to be named later.

I love it.

[NAFBUC]

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Looks like the Cubs are about to trade Rich Hill to the Orioles for a player to be named later.

Rich Hill is a hard study. He jumped out and looked fantastic with a dominating curve. He just lost it last year and was a major disapointment for the Cubs. Will be interesting to see how he throws this year.

[JBH3]

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So will the Cubbies possibly move Heilman into a starting role???

Then he can give up the long-ball over the course of 5-6 innings, rather than 2/3 an inning .

[Herky]

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Unless the Cubs gets Peavy this trade is terrible. Olsen would have been better off to just stay in Chicago if the Padres didn't want him. Heilman doesn't bring much to the table IMO but Jim Hendry has been high on him since last season for some reason.

[Herky]

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Rich Hill is a hard study. He jumped out and looked fantastic with a dominating curve. He just lost it last year and was a major disapointment for the Cubs. Will be interesting to see how he throws this year.

I agree. In 2007 he was very good and then fell apart.