Dusty Baker (and other assorted morons)

[Ewing]

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It could have ended in a two-run double.

But it didn't. This is the same moron who told Adam Dunn to bunt.

[Blzer]

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I understand that, but in this given situation it sounds like he was just going for some insurance, and he could afford a missed opportunity so it seems (late in the game and already ahead by two runs). Encarnacion heads the bottom of the order, so it doesn't sound too implausible.

If it worked, I don't think anybody would have credited him, that's all I'm saying.

It's like saying it was Baker's fault for putting Cueto on the mound yesterday.



I'm not denying his idiocy, but this isn't a fair example.

[jake44np]

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Baker sent the runners on first and second with no outs and it ended in a triple play. How does this man have a job?

You are such a moron yourself and your constant bashing of manager/coaches is getting old. Anyone can set behind a cpu screen in their parents basement and bash people.
You only point out everytime something doesnt work out for Dusty.
You could do this for every manager/coach in every sport!
Did you watch the game Thursday vs the Mets, he called two great hit and runs that lead to them winning.

[PhantomPain]

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You are such a moron yourself and your constant bashing of manager/coaches is getting old. Anyone can set behind a cpu screen in their parents basement and bash people.
You only point out everytime something doesnt work out for Dusty.
You could do this for every manager/coach in every sport!
Did you watch the game Thursday vs the Mets, he called two great hit and runs that lead to them winning.

jake, is there any reason you feel the need to berate people when they say something negative about Baker? If you know why something happened or can give fair examples of why someone posted something that is incorrect or unfair, then why not just explain it in a non-combative way? You are a cool dude and I have mucho respect for you, but it seems lately you have been on the hostile side of posts especially when it comes to Baker. Example (besides the quote): jackdog was wondering what any fan that doesn't read up on anything or live in the Cincy area would wonder. Why is McDonald in the big leagues? Instead of you just explaining WHY this happened because you have knowledge, you jumped all over him. It wasn't necessary. You could have just as easily said "well I heard Trent on the radio and this is what he said blah blah blah." Would have been much nicer.

Anyway, don't take this as an attack on you. I was just pointing something out that I have noticed.

[jake44np]

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Or how about before you bash someone you know the facts before hand???
I am just sick of people bashing coaches and managers when they are totally wrong and dont know what they are talking about.
This Ewing guy only takes the bad things that coaches or managers say or do and bashes them and he is just wrong about 90% of the time. He bashes Dusty for calling a hit and run with 2 guys on and a contact hitter at the plate?? Runs where hard to come by the whole game yesterday (by the way I was at the game) he put the runners in motion and was trying to make something happen. I love the fact that the Reds can hit and run this year, we had two many guys that didnt make enough contact (Griff, Dunn) to hit and run much last year. And like I said listening to the pregame show yesterday Marty gave Dusty props for the hit and run calls that Dusty made on Thursday. And Marty stated that he loved the hit and run. I guess Ewing thinks that everytime you call a hit and run that it is suppose to work.
Bottom line I am sorry for the name calling but it just drives my crazy when someone calls out a manager when they are completly wrong. And if it sounds like I am defending Baker alot it is because the Reds are my team and I watch all of their games. I hated Baker as much as the next guy when he managed the Cubs and I believed all the bad things written about him. But since he has come to Cincy I just havent seen all the negatives every one likes to bash him on. All I know is the players love playing for him and they are hustling for him this year. I am just one that likes to defend my teams players and coaches. Especially when they are wrong fully bashed.

[Ewing]

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I'm not someone who breaks down a post line by line, but I think this calls for it...

You are such a moron yourself and your constant bashing of manager/coaches is getting old.

Rather than discredit me by pointing out the positives of Dusty Baker you decide to call me a moron. This is like a Jonas Brothers fangirl calling someone jealous when they say the band sucks.

Anyone can set behind a cpu screen in their parents basement and bash people.

Again, with the petty insults like being in my parents' basement. Come with some material that defends your point of view.

You only point out everytime something doesnt work out for Dusty.

What have I pointed out in this thread about Baker? Stupid things he's said, calling for one of the best power hitters in the sport to bunt and now calling a hit and run with no outs. If that's every time something has failed then the Reds must have won like 120 games last year.

You could do this for every manager/coach in every sport!

You mean to tell me people with power in the sporting world can be held responsible for making bad decisions!?! Wow, it's almost like fans can have a voice.

Did you watch the game Thursday vs the Mets, he called two great hit and runs that lead to them winning.

No, I did not watch the game on Thursday but I can tell you that hit and runs are largely unsuccessful and too risky to do on a frequent basis, if at all.

Most of the 14 unassisted triple plays in Major League Baseball history have occurred during hit and run plays with runners on first and second bases.

Or how about before you bash someone you know the facts before hand???

Didn't you bash me for living in my parents basement? That's not a fact. Pot kettle black.

I am just sick of people bashing coaches and managers when they are totally wrong and dont know what they are talking about.

What about when the managers don't know what they're talking about? Such as:

"On-base percentage is great if you can score runs and do something with that on-base percentage, clogging up the bases isn't that great to me." - Dusty Baker, not understanding people who get on base increase the chances of scoring runs

"Rolen already has a Gold Glove, Albert's trying to get one. They tell me he's getting one some day." - Dusty Baker, not knowing the Gold Glove winners
"Albert Pujols, who won the Gold Glove last season, with the tremendous play." - Other announcer, debunking Dusty's ignorance in one sentence

"I'm big on driving in runs and scoring runs, guys in the middle should score about close to equal to what they drive in. On-base percentage, that's fine and dandy. But a lot of times guys get so much into on-base percentage that they cease to swing. It's becoming a little bit out of control. What you do is run the pitcher's count up, that helps, you put him in the stretch, that helps. But your job in the middle is to either score them or drive them in. The name of the game is scoring runs. Sometimes, you get so caught up in on-base percentage that you're clogging up the bases." - Dusty Baker, not understanding the people who get on base will score the runs by providing an opportunity for others to drive them in

"I don't like called third strikes." - Dusty Baker, implying people like called third strikes or that swinging third strikes are any better.

"I'm happy for him because this guy bleeds internally, big-time." - Dusty Baker, acting as if players hemorrhaging is some sort of a good trait

"Junior has given a lot to this game and this city. You go look at his body and his injury list, and he's left a lot of bones, muscles, tendons and ligaments out on that field. You dig up that field, and there's a lot of Junior bones in it." - Dusty Baker, preparing for Halloween by claiming the Great American Ball Park is a massive Ken Griffey Jr. graveyard

I could keep going by it's like shooting water in a barrel.

This Ewing guy only takes the bad things that coaches or managers say or do and bashes them

That's the point of the thread. To seek out ignorant quotes, debunk them and laugh at them.

he is just wrong about 90% of the time.

Careful there, your friend Dusty is not a fan of math.

He bashes Dusty for calling a hit and run with 2 guys on and a contact hitter at the plate??

Edwin Encarnacion is a career .266 hitter. That's hardly good enough to warrant a risky move like a hit and run. If he records an out by himself, either by strikeout or flyout or whatever, it's only one out and the inning is alive. By calling a hit and run however, you're risking the entire inning.

Runs where hard to come by the whole game yesterday (by the way I was at the game) he put the runners in motion and was trying to make something happen.

You were at the game? Clearly, your knowledge and expertise exceeds mine because you were there.

Making something happen by putting the runners in motion with no outs is absolutely stupid. You've got a man in scoring position already and a man on first. The count at the time on Encarnacion was 0-2. He's probably going to strikeout. A far better stragedy is to take the one out and try again with the next hitter rather than risking the entire inning.

I love the fact that the Reds can hit and run this year, we had two many guys that didnt make enough contact (Griff, Dunn) to hit and run much last year.

Adam Dunn has five straight seasons with 40 home runs, he's frequently near the top of the league in OBP and in runs created, he's put up at least 100 in four of the last five years. If you wanna trade in that kind of offensive production so you can be more entertained by hit and runs, go right ahead. It's only going to cost you wins.

And like I said listening to the pregame show yesterday Marty gave Dusty props for the hit and run calls that Dusty made on Thursday. And Marty stated that he loved the hit and run.

Marty Brennaman is the baseball messiah. He has never been wrong. Sorry, I should have know that. Like that time he said:

"This is the kind of thing, quite honestly, right now, that makes you want to see the Chicago Cubs team lose. Among all baseball fans, and I can't attest to the Yankees or Red Sox, because we don't see them with any degree of regularity unless it's inter-league play, but far and away the most obnoxious fans in baseball, in this league, are those who follow this team right here. Throwing 15 or 18 balls onto the field, there's absolutely no excuse for that, and that is so typical of Chicago Cubs fans. It's unbelievable.

You simply root against 'em. Ya'know, I've said all winter they talked about this team winning the division, and my comment is they won't win it, because at the end of the day, they still are the Chicago Cubs, and they will figure out a way to screw this whole thing up."

The Cubs went on to win the division while the Reds finished over 20 games back of them. Guess he isn't infallible.

I guess Ewing thinks that everytime you call a hit and run that it is suppose to work.

The hit and run doesn't work. That's the freaking point.

Bottom line I am sorry for the name calling but it just drives my crazy when someone calls out a manager when they are completly wrong.

How have you proven that I'm completely wrong? What do you have that backs up your assertion that Dusty is a good manager?

And if it sounds like I am defending Baker alot it is because the Reds are my team and I watch all of their games. I hated Baker as much as the next guy when he managed the Cubs and I believed all the bad things written about him.

What happened then? You suddenly stopped believing all the correct things written about his incompetence?

But since he has come to Cincy I just havent seen all the negatives every one likes to bash him on.

Baker will never change. He is an outdated fossil incapable of succeeding in today's game. He refuses to do any sort of research and keep up with the times.

All I know is the players love playing for him and they are hustling for him this year.

Yeah, they got dirt on their uniforms! They're hustling! Screw better strategy!

I am just one that likes to defend my teams players and coaches. Especially when they are wrong fully bashed.

I am one to call out authority figures, either it be managers, general managers, sportswriters or whomever when they make complete and total fools of themselves. Go check out the following links, and maybe you'll learn a few things about why I do this:

http://www.firejoemorgan.com

http://www.baseball-reference.com/
http://www.fangraphs.com/

And here's a special one for you:

http://www2.actden.com/writ_den/tips/paragrap/index.htm

[Blzer]

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Most of the 14 unassisted triple plays in Major League Baseball history have occurred during hit and run plays with runners on first and second bases.

With respect, that would be largely embarrassing if they weren't.

[ChubbyBanana]

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Seems we have some disagreement bubbling in this thread.

Only thing I'm going to say is let's keep it civil, and leave the name calling and intellectual insults in the dugout.

[jake44np]

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Seems we have some disagreement bubbling in this thread.

Only thing I'm going to say is let's keep it civil, and leave the name calling and intellectual insults in the dugout.

No problem, I am done arguing with this guy.
Its hard to arguing with a guy after this statement he made below about the Reds and Dunn.

"Adam Dunn has five straight seasons with 40 home runs, he's frequently near the top of the league in OBP and in runs created, he's put up at least 100 in four of the last five years. If you wanna trade in that kind of offensive production so you can be more entertained by hit and runs, go right ahead. It's only going to cost you wins."

And how many wins does Dunn's team have this year?? LOL
Once again you proved you know nothing about the Reds or Dusty Baker, Thank you!
It is common knowledge that Dunn's lack of hustle or his laziness and his absolete horrible defense where a big reason why the Reds have struggled the last few years.

Once again there is no reason to respond as I will never open this thread again. I am off to start my own negative NBA or maybe NFL coaching thread.

[CMH]

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Adam Dunn is the reason the Nationals are 0-7?

The same Adam Dunn that is batting .364 with 2 homeruns, 8 RBI and a league leading 11 walks (oh yea, that's also a league leading .576 OBP and 232 OPS+).

It can be argued that Adam Dunn is the sole reason the Nationals have even scored any runs.

But, hey, Dunn is also pitching, I guess. Gotta fault him for his pitchers giving up (in this order): 12, 8, 6, 6, 5, 8, and 9 runs this season.

Their Pythagorean record is 2-5. The Reds is 2-4. The two teams aren't much different, but you can't blame Dunn for the pitching. The Nationals are dead last in ERA and two runs higher than the Reds in the NL. Yet, the Nationals score more R/PG than the Reds. Surprise, surprise.

I'm not. Blaming Dunn for the Reds failed season last year is ludicrous. When the Reds play just as poorly, I wonder if you'll blame his ghost.

[snepp]

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Adam Dunn is the reason the Nationals are 0-7?

The same Adam Dunn that is batting .364 with 2 homeruns, 8 RBI and a league leading 11 walks (oh yea, that's also a league leading .576 OBP and 232 OPS+).

It can be argued that Adam Dunn is the sole reason the Nationals have even scored any runs.

But, hey, Dunn is also pitching, I guess. Gotta fault him for his pitchers giving up (in this order): 12, 8, 6, 6, 5, 8, and 9 runs this season.

Their Pythagorean record is 2-5. The Reds is 2-4. The two teams aren't much different, but you can't blame Dunn for the pitching. The Nationals are dead last in ERA and two runs higher than the Reds in the NL. Yet, the Nationals score more R/PG than the Reds. Surprise, surprise.

I'm not. Blaming Dunn for the Reds failed season last year is ludicrous. When the Reds play just as poorly, I wonder if you'll blame his ghost.

Way too much logic, way too many facts, and not nearly enough "he's not a gamer" hyperbole. Dunn clearly doesn't love the game, that's why the Nationals are 0-7.

[CMH]

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Way too much logic, way too many facts, and not nearly enough "he's not a gamer" hyperbole. Dunn clearly doesn't love the game, that's why the Nationals are 0-7.

He did have an error yesterday. Had I been there to watch it, I would have blamed his laziness and inability to bat .300.

[Blzer]

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He did have an error yesterday. Had I been there to watch it, I would have blamed his laziness and inability to bat .300.

Guilty.

[ezekiel55]

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Way too much logic, way too many facts, and not nearly enough "he's not a gamer" hyperbole. Dunn clearly doesn't love the game, that's why the Nationals are 0-7.

Great post!

[PhantomPain]

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Here we go again

I know, I know. According to some of you, Adam Dunn is the best player in the MLB to have on your team. He gets on base better than anyone and makes all teams so much better. In fact, when he and Griffey were traded last year the Reds did MUCH worse without them. And Dunn went on to hit another 20 home runs. Wait a second. Did that really happen?

Guys this is getting old. The saber guys have every statistic in the world to prove how valuable Dunn is, but apparently no MLB team out there outside of WAS were willing to pay him all that money he is worth. I really wish the MLB teams would call all you guys so you can explain to them how great he is. I mean he is getting a real disservice as it is, I am sure you guys could set them straight. Just make sure you tell them they better trade him away by August or they won't see anymore production. I will give you this, if the season ended August 1 or maybe even August 31, then Dunn would likely be one of the most sought after players in the pros. Unfortunately for him, and the Nats, he is HORRIBLE in September so if by chance whatever team he is on happens to make it to the playoffs because of him, they WILL be knocked out because of him as well.

Seriously though, can we please stop with the incessant talk about freaking Adam Dunn? It is so old and overplayed at this point. This has to be at least the 4th different thread in the past 9 months to talk about him and how great he is.