5/11-5/17 MLB Discussion

[bkrich83]

Re: 5/11-5/17 MLB Discussion

Maybe.

Or maybe he had 2 bad starts, and because its early in the year those 2 starts killed his stats. He's had 2 complete games, including a complete game shutout. He's had a 7.2 shutout inning start. He had another start he went 8 innings giving up 2 runs. Seems like he's still able to pitch effectively deep into games.

He had a much worse April last year and he turned out ok.

You very well may be right. I guess we'll see.

but he's had more than 2 bad starts total. The Angels lit him up in the beginning or May.

In his last 4 starts, he's had 2 quality starts and 2 non-quality starts. Actually statistically, in his last 6 starts I think only two are QS's.

[NYJets]

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3 starts, 2.28 era, whip under 1 in May isn't brilliant?

[bkrich83]

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3 starts, 2.28 era, whip under 1 in May isn't brilliant?

The Shutout vs. Baltimore was. He pitched well vs. Toronto. Anaheim shelled him.

As I said, in his last 6 starts 2 were quality starts.

Would you say he's lived up to the billing so far? Do you really consider him an elite starting pitcher?

[NYJets]

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What's the rule for quality start anyway? I know its 6 innings 3 runs, I assume 8 innings 4 runs is as well so that would be 3 quality starts.

He's been good. I expect him to be a little bit better as the season goes on, and there's no indications that he won't be. His track record says he will be. He's shown he still has the same stuff, he's still been able to eat up innings, he's been dominant at times. He hasn't shown any signs of losing it

[bkrich83]

Re: 5/11-5/17 MLB Discussion

What's the rule for quality start anyway? I know its 6 innings 3 runs, I assume 8 innings 4 runs is as well so that would be 3 quality starts.

He's been good. I expect him to be a little bit better as the season goes on, and there's no indications that he won't be. His track record says he will be. He's shown he still has the same stuff, he's still been able to eat up innings, he's been dominant at times. He hasn't shown any signs of losing it

"a quality start is awarded to a starting pitcher who completes at least six innings and permits no more than three earned runs."

So he has 2.

See for me, his dropping strikeouts and increasing walks, are a danger sign. Maybe it's just me. But power pitchers should average more than 5K/9 IP. He's been around 9 the last 3 or 4 years.

And his walks are rising as well. He's got a SO/BB ratio of 1.85 right now. Last year it was around 5.

[NYJets]

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Well than quality start makes no sense as a stat imo. 8 innings and 4 runs is the same era as 6 innings and 3 runs, and it ate up more innings and saved your bullpen.

As for the rest, we'll see. Over his last 4 his peripherals have been getting better. If the season is half over and his walks are still up and strikeouts still down, then I'll start to worry about it.

[bkrich83]

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Well than quality start makes no sense as a stat imo. 8 innings and 4 runs is the same era as 6 innings and 3 runs, and it ate up more innings and saved your bullpen.

As for the rest, we'll see. Over his last 4 his peripherals have been getting better. If the season is half over and his walks are still up and strikeouts still down, then I'll start to worry about it.

I don't think giving up 4 runs in 8 innings is a QS. Do you? But that's besides the point. He's been pretty average this year, it's been more than just 2 bad starts, and there are some indicators that hist stuff has not been as sharp.

Which was my original point. Yes it's early, but he's a big guy with weight issues who's thrown a ton of innings the last couple of years. A decline is not as out of the question as Yankee fan would lead you to believe imo.

[Sandman42]

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I don't think giving up 4 runs in 8 innings is a QS. Do you? But that's besides the point. He's been pretty average this year, it's been more than just 2 bad starts, and there are some indicators that hist stuff has not been as sharp.

3 runs in 6 innings = 4.50 ERA
4 runs in 8 innings = 4.50 ERA

If 3 runs in 6 is a QS, then 4 runs in 8 should also be one IMO.

[snepp]

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The "quality start" statistic is largely junk, right up there with saves and fielding percentage.

[bkrich83]

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3 runs in 6 innings = 4.50 ERA
4 runs in 8 innings = 4.50 ERA

If 3 runs in 6 is a QS, then 4 runs in 8 should also be one IMO.

So you consider his 4 ER in 8 innings of work a good start? He's thus far produced what you would have expected?

I agree with Snepp, it's a dumb stat, but when you are paying what they are paying Sabathia, you'd expect better outings more consistently. His mediocre numbers are more than the result of just two poor starts.

[Misfit]

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3 runs in 6 innings = 4.50 ERA
4 runs in 8 innings = 4.50 ERA

If 3 runs in 6 is a QS, then 4 runs in 8 should also be one IMO.

I disagree, the ERA is the same, but 4 runs is not the same as 3. An offense should be expected to cover for 3 runs, but anything over 3 is dicey. It is a stupid stat though.

[Lintyfresh85]

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Rookie David Huff is on the hill for the Indians making his major league debut.

Only problem is the Rays have two guys on their lineup at 3B (Longoria was supposed to be a DH). So they have to forfeit their DH while their pitcher is batting. Umps just called the Tribe off the field and are calling MLB to see what to do.

What a story this guy will have for his first start... if the Umps let him make it.

[DTX3]

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Yeah, Dodgers will struggle with Beast Mode in their lineup.

I gotta give it to him, even I didn't think Pierre would step up like this.

[Kruza]

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Heck of a comeback by the Tigers after being down to the A's 6-0 by the end of the first inning. It's now an 8-6 ball game in the third inning.

Kruza

[kehlis]

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Heck of a comeback by the Tigers after being down to the A's 6-0 by the end of the first inning. It's now an 8-6 ball game in the third inning.

Kruza

It's embarrassing!!

The way Detroit has been hitting in this series I had a bad feeling 6-0 would be gone eventually.