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  • Misfit
    All Star
    • Mar 2003
    • 5766

    #31
    Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

    Originally posted by rsox
    Nice scenerio but if J.P. wants to keep his job he will ignore any and all calls from Theo Epstein and Brian Cashman.
    Boston won't part with its pitching prospects anyways. The organization has made a decision to keep young pitching and trading for a starter on the wrong side of 30 doesn't fit that business model. I'm not saying that is the right way to treat their assets, just the the reality of the situation. And there's just no way in Hell Toronto trades within the division.

    On one hand it is absurd for any organization to trade perhaps the best starting pitcher in the league, but on the other hand: Halladay is 32 years old, his value is at its peak, Toronto likely cannot afford an extension due to a series of bad contracts (unless Halladay is willing to give the team a significant discount, which in this case I think is still a possibility), and Toronto probably isn't a realistic bet to win next year. Still, I think if a deal is done it will be done in December, not July. That way the Jays can better evaluate where the organization is both financially and how likely a good season is in 2010. If Romero looks like a sure thing instead of a one year wonder (a-la Gustavo Chacin) and McGowan and Marcum look primed to contribute in 2010, perhaps the Jays think with Halladay at the top of the rotation it can win in 2010 and take some draft picks when he departs. Or the team could have a good season, narrowly miss the Playoffs, but is able to convince Halladay it will compete every year going forward and he re-signs.

    This just seems like too big of a move to make mid-season. Unless a team comes along and gives Toronto exactly what its looking for (or just agrees to take Vernon Wells) I don't think he gets traded before the end of this month. If anything, this statement by the Blue Jays that it will listen to offers is just a means a assessing what kind of players Halladay could fetch should the Blue Jays decide to part with him this winter.

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    • P2K
      Banned
      • Aug 2006
      • 8845

      #32
      Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

      It's been Roy Halladay radio on Philadelphia sports stations for a couple days now. The biggest questions pretty much have been if the Phils would take the untradeable label off of Kyle Drabek & if they would have to add JA Happ.

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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #33
        Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

        Originally posted by P2K
        It's been Roy Halladay radio on Philadelphia sports stations for a couple days now. The biggest questions pretty much have been if the Phils would take the untradeable label off of Kyle Drabek & if they would have to add JA Happ.
        The Jays will want position guys who've had some success in the big leagues (not too much as they want to control the contract for some time) as well as a solid to elite type starting pitcher.

        The Phils would have to give up more then that IMO.
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        • JBH3
          Marvel's Finest
          • Jan 2007
          • 13506

          #34
          Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

          Originally posted by P2K
          It's been Roy Halladay radio on Philadelphia sports stations for a couple days now. The biggest questions pretty much have been if the Phils would take the untradeable label off of Kyle Drabek & if they would have to add JA Happ.
          Originally posted by SPTO
          The Jays will want position guys who've had some success in the big leagues (not too much as they want to control the contract for some time) as well as a solid to elite type starting pitcher.

          The Phils would have to give up more then that IMO.
          I'd give them Happ, Drabek, Jason Donald, and Jayson Werth.

          Take: Halladay, Dellucci (contract/cost-cut for Jays), and a minor leaguer.

          ...then I'd platoon Stairs and Mayberry in right field.

          Werth would give Toronto a better defensive OF, and Cito could find ABs for Snider/Lind at DH.

          EDIT: We'd be parting w/ two young pitchers, but given we're coming off a WS title and have the pieces needed to continue to make a run.

          There's no need, right now, to let Happ work out the growing pains and wait on Drabek -- who's already had a major operation on his throwing arm -- to progress throught the minors.

          I don't really see Philly re-signing Howard after his current deal expires in 2012 so adding a frontline starter like Halladay should be top-priority. Even if it means parting w/ a young lefty like Happ who's shown promise, and another young starter w/ a pedigree for pitching.

          Donald has no future w/ Philly as Utley stands in his way to the majors, and Werth is a very capable RF bat/defender w/ speed. However, he'll be looking for a new contract, and let's let Toronto sort that out.
          Last edited by JBH3; 07-09-2009, 02:33 PM.
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          • VanCitySportsGuy
            NYG_Meth
            • Feb 2003
            • 9351

            #35
            Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

            If Doc is traded, it will be for 60 cents on the dollar. It’s laughable to hear how Drabek is untouchable. He’s not even one of top 20 prospects in baseball. If I was the GM of the Jays, I wouldn’t even trade Halladay for Drabek, Brown, Donald, and Marson.

            Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the game. He goes at least 7 innings almost start, he’s put up outstanding numbers while pitching in the AL East, and he’s signed for next season at a below market price. I’ve looked at some of the trade proposals from fans from other blogs and almost all of them are awful.

            If you’re going to trade Halladay you should be looking at Kershaw and Kemp from the Dodgers or Joba, Hughes, and Jackson from the Yankees. Any deal involving the Phillies that doesn’t have at least Hamels and Drabek going the other way should be ignored. Now of course I know the Dodgers, Yankees, and Phillies would never make those trades but that’s what you should be looking to get in return.

            The best move for the Jays is to just keep him because you won’t equal value in return if you’re going to deal him.

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            • kujoking7
              Rookie
              • Nov 2007
              • 147

              #36
              Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

              According to Buster Olney from ESPN, the Phillies show the most interest and would be the most likely candidate for getting Roy on the Scott Van Pelt Show. Also, Buster included to say that the Dodgers would not give up younger studs Billingsly and Kershaw and if they did trade, they would want cash in return. Buster also stated that the Pirates are interested, along with San Francisco.

              Originally posted by pfunk880
              Parra has sucked it up this year, and Jeffress can't stay away from the drugs. I'd gladly trade those two.
              Actually, manny parra shut down the cards today, pujols going 0-3.
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              • Misfit
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 5766

                #37
                Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                Originally posted by asianflow
                If Doc is traded, it will be for 60 cents on the dollar. It’s laughable to hear how Drabek is untouchable. He’s not even one of top 20 prospects in baseball. If I was the GM of the Jays, I wouldn’t even trade Halladay for Drabek, Brown, Donald, and Marson.

                Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the game. He goes at least 7 innings almost start, he’s put up outstanding numbers while pitching in the AL East, and he’s signed for next season at a below market price. I’ve looked at some of the trade proposals from fans from other blogs and almost all of them are awful.

                If you’re going to trade Halladay you should be looking at Kershaw and Kemp from the Dodgers or Joba, Hughes, and Jackson from the Yankees. Any deal involving the Phillies that doesn’t have at least Hamels and Drabek going the other way should be ignored. Now of course I know the Dodgers, Yankees, and Phillies would never make those trades but that’s what you should be looking to get in return.

                The best move for the Jays is to just keep him because you won’t equal value in return if you’re going to deal him.


                The Jays will ask for the moon, but history shows if they do trade him they aren't guaranteed to get that kind of a haul. The Twins were in this situation and look what they got for a left-hander much younger than what Halladay is at present. The Jays should and will go after an organizations top 3 or 4 guys but if a deal is done I would expect one top prospect, a 1A type, and two C level guys with the idea to get two Major League ready starting players, idealy one position player and one pitcher.

                Reports out of St. Louis are saying the Cardinals told the Jays they can have any five of their minor league guys for Halladay which sounds completely bogus to me. Still, they're one of maybe three teams I think could realistically make a play for Halladay along with Philli and Milwaukee (with the Dodgers a long shot if McCourt decides he can take on more salary). The only AL team that could pull it off is probably Anaheim (free Brandon Wood!) but I don't know if even the AL West is far enough for Toronto in regards to Halladay's landing spot.

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                • DTX3
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 13022

                  #38
                  Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                  Originally posted by kujoking7
                  Also, Buster included to say that the Dodgers would not give up younger studs Billingsly and Kershaw and if they did trade, they would want cash in return. Buster also stated that the Pirates are interested, along with San Francisco.
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                  That's what I like to hear.
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                  • JBH3
                    Marvel's Finest
                    • Jan 2007
                    • 13506

                    #39
                    Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                    Originally posted by asianflow
                    If Doc is traded, it will be for 60 cents on the dollar. It’s laughable to hear how Drabek is untouchable. He’s not even one of top 20 prospects in baseball. If I was the GM of the Jays, I wouldn’t even trade Halladay for Drabek, Brown, Donald, and Marson.

                    Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the game. He goes at least 7 innings almost start, he’s put up outstanding numbers while pitching in the AL East, and he’s signed for next season at a below market price. I’ve looked at some of the trade proposals from fans from other blogs and almost all of them are awful.

                    If you’re going to trade Halladay you should be looking at Kershaw and Kemp from the Dodgers or Joba, Hughes, and Jackson from the Yankees. Any deal involving the Phillies that doesn’t have at least Hamels and Drabek going the other way should be ignored. Now of course I know the Dodgers, Yankees, and Phillies would never make those trades but that’s what you should be looking to get in return.

                    The best move for the Jays is to just keep him because you won’t equal value in return if you’re going to deal him.
                    Wow. Trading Hamels would be counter-productive to say the least.

                    There's no way he would move, and/or be in talks ... the deal would defeat the purpose of getting Halladay. The Phillies want to ADD an ace, not take one away. If Toronto traded w/ Philly they know that Hamels would be off the table.

                    I don't know...Happ, Drabek, Werth, and Donald (add Carlos Carrasco for all I care) for essentially Halladay, a cost cutting move taking on Dellucci, and a minor leaguer seems pretty good to me.

                    That would be essentially 3 pitchers, one a top 100 prospect, another having been a 1st rd pick who's progressing along after some arm trouble, and the other having success at the major-league level.

                    A major-league ready OF who's an upgrade to the Jays OF, and Donald who's a mid-level prospect.
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                    • VanCitySportsGuy
                      NYG_Meth
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 9351

                      #40
                      Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                      Originally posted by Misfit
                      The Jays will ask for the moon, but history shows if they do trade him they aren't guaranteed to get that kind of a haul. The Twins were in this situation and look what they got for a left-hander much younger than what Halladay is at present. The Jays should and will go after an organizations top 3 or 4 guys but if a deal is done I would expect one top prospect, a 1A type, and two C level guys with the idea to get two Major League ready starting players, idealy one position player and one pitcher.

                      Reports out of St. Louis are saying the Cardinals told the Jays they can have any five of their minor league guys for Halladay which sounds completely bogus to me. Still, they're one of maybe three teams I think could realistically make a play for Halladay along with Philli and Milwaukee (with the Dodgers a long shot if McCourt decides he can take on more salary). The only AL team that could pull it off is probably Anaheim (free Brandon Wood!) but I don't know if even the AL West is far enough for Toronto in regards to Halladay's landing spot.
                      Unless Albert is going the other way (which would never happen), I have no interest in trading with the Cards. Outside of Wallace, the Cards farm system has very little to offer. Most of the Jays reporters believe the Phlls and Angels make the most sense as trade partners. The Halo's have some nice young prospects and an established young starter in Weaver but the problem is that his agent is Scott Boras.

                      Like I said earlier, the Jays should just hold onto Halladay.

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                      • DTX3
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 13022

                        #41
                        Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                        Originally posted by asianflow
                        If Doc is traded, it will be for 60 cents on the dollar. It’s laughable to hear how Drabek is untouchable. He’s not even one of top 20 prospects in baseball. If I was the GM of the Jays, I wouldn’t even trade Halladay for Drabek, Brown, Donald, and Marson.

                        Halladay is one of the best pitchers in the game. He goes at least 7 innings almost start, he’s put up outstanding numbers while pitching in the AL East, and he’s signed for next season at a below market price. I’ve looked at some of the trade proposals from fans from other blogs and almost all of them are awful.

                        If you’re going to trade Halladay you should be looking at Kershaw and Kemp from the Dodgers or Joba, Hughes, and Jackson from the Yankees. Any deal involving the Phillies that doesn’t have at least Hamels and Drabek going the other way should be ignored. Now of course I know the Dodgers, Yankees, and Phillies would never make those trades but that’s what you should be looking to get in return.

                        The best move for the Jays is to just keep him because you won’t equal value in return if you’re going to deal him.
                        These days no team gets equal value when it comes to trading a type of player like Halladay.
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                        • BunnyHardaway
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 15195

                          #42
                          Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                          Originally posted by kujoking7
                          According to Buster Olney from ESPN, the Phillies show the most interest and would be the most likely candidate for getting Roy on the Scott Van Pelt Show. Also, Buster included to say that the Dodgers would not give up younger studs Billingsly and Kershaw and if they did trade, they would want cash in return. Buster also stated that the Pirates are interested, along with San Francisco.

                          Actually, manny parra shut down the cards today, pujols going 0-3.
                          I think you got that mixed up a bit. He said the Giants called the Pirates about Freddy Sanchez and Adam LaRoche. They're far from involved in the Halladay sweepstakes.

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                          • Ewing
                            Banned
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 863

                            #43
                            Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                            Originally posted by DTX3
                            These days no team gets equal value when it comes to trading a type of player like Halladay.
                            On December 14, in a blockbuster trade, the Diamondbacks acquired starting RHP Dan Haren from the Oakland Athletics for six players: LHP Brett Anderson, LHP Dana Eveland and LHP Greg Smith; the above-mentioned just-acquired infielder Chris Carter; and outfielders Aaron Cunningham and Carlos Gonzalez.

                            You're right, they commit highway robbery of another team's minor league system.

                            Originally posted by JBH3
                            Wow. Trading Hamels would be counter-productive to say the least.

                            There's no way he would move, and/or be in talks ... the deal would defeat the purpose of getting Halladay. The Phillies want to ADD an ace, not take one away. If Toronto traded w/ Philly they know that Hamels would be off the table.
                            91 ERA+, 1.39 WHIP, 12.6 baserunners per 9

                            WHAT AN ACE
                            Last edited by Ewing; 07-09-2009, 05:48 PM.

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                            • snepp
                              We'll waste him too.
                              • Apr 2003
                              • 10007

                              #44
                              Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                              Originally posted by Ewing
                              91 ERA+, 1.39 WHIP, 12.6 baserunners per 9

                              WHAT AN ACE
                              I think you're letting a bias cloud your judgment.

                              His peripherals are largely in line with what he's done in the past. The difference being he has a ridiculously high BABIP of .352, that's not going to continue.
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                              • Ewing
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 863

                                #45
                                Re: Roy Halladay on the block?

                                Originally posted by snepp
                                I think you're letting a bias cloud your judgment.

                                His peripherals are largely in line with what he's done in the past. The difference being he has a ridiculously high BABIP of .352, that's not going to continue.
                                Nah, I know, he's gonna level out, he's just been killing my fantasy team with inconsistency. One thing worrying me is the amount of hits though. However, if I'm the Phillies and I had to pick between Hamels and Halladay, I'm going Halladay.

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