Roy Halladay on the block?

[SPTO]

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Okay so, Toronto said today that they will not take offers until July 31st.

Meanwhile, the Phillies beat writers are really trying to get the word out that the Phils do not want to pay Halladay all that money due to their "budget". They say this is why Pedro will be brought instead.

So the Phils would rather get an old Pedro who will either be really good or a flameout rather then paying for one of the best starters in MLB for far below market value and having him the rest of this year and all of next season?

Sounds kinda stupid to me.

[snepp]

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So the Phils would rather get an old Pedro who will either be really good or a flameout rather then paying for one of the best starters in MLB for far below market value and having him the rest of this year and all of next season?

I think Pedro's chances of being really good are really bad.

[Misfit]

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I just think its a shame his 99 losses will likely increase. Ninety-nine just looks so much better on a Hall of Fame plaque instead of 100+.

[SPTO]

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Well I think we can cool down the Roy Halladay rumors now. Paul Beeston was on the radio last evening and he said that the Jays will NOT trade Halladay unless they get a deal that literally blow their socks off. (or in his case put socks on. If you wanna know that story just ask) When asked if money is any factor in re-signing Halladay, Beeston said that money is no object and that the Jays plan to make an offer to keep Halladay long term.

It sounds to me like Beeston and Gaston took JP to the woodshed for making this a story. I have a feeling no matter who's the president of the club next year that JP will be gone.

[P2K]

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Well I think we can cool down the Roy Halladay rumors now. Paul Beeston was on the radio last evening and he said that the Jays will NOT trade Halladay unless they get a deal that literally blow their socks off. (or in his case put socks on. If you wanna know that story just ask) When asked if money is any factor in re-signing Halladay, Beeston said that money is no object and that the Jays plan to make an offer to keep Halladay long term.

It sounds to me like Beeston and Gaston took JP to the woodshed for making this a story. I have a feeling no matter who's the president of the club next year that JP will be gone.

Well, that is good news for the Haap/Drabek/Michael Taylor/Dom Brown fans here in Philly lol

[Ruffy]

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Well I think we can cool down the Roy Halladay rumors now. Paul Beeston was on the radio last evening and he said that the Jays will NOT trade Halladay unless they get a deal that literally blow their socks off. (or in his case put socks on. If you wanna know that story just ask) When asked if money is any factor in re-signing Halladay, Beeston said that money is no object and that the Jays plan to make an offer to keep Halladay long term.

It sounds to me like Beeston and Gaston took JP to the woodshed for making this a story. I have a feeling no matter who's the president of the club next year that JP will be gone.

No doubt he will be gone. JP is terrible. His list of idiotic moves is mind boggling.

[steelcurtain311]

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Well, that's what I figured. This isn't a dump job or something. This isn't "we're getting rid of him now no matter what, so we'll take whoever gives the best offer by the deadline." like with Johan.

They were just putting him out there, seeing if anyone would trade the farm to get him. If not, oh well, they keep him.

[rsox]

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Peter Gammons discussed earlier that if the Jays do decide to move Halladay they may just start selling players off (i.e. Rolen, Scutaro, Rios). Quoting Ricciardi as saying if the Jays trade Halladay they will be "starting over".

For me i think it might be a little drastic to gut the team just because you trade one player. Minnesota didn't implode because they traded Santana-they've been better without him than the Mets have been with him. If Ricciardi has a fire sale he better get some major prospects in return, but i don't see that happening.

[Ewing]

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Minnesota didn't implode because they traded Santana-they've been better without him than the Mets have been with him.

Santana has been nothing short of tremendous since he was traded. It's not his fault everyone on the team gets injured, can't prove him run support or that the bullpen sucks outside of K-Rod. I understand your point though, there is no reason to start to over if you trade the prized pitcher.

The Jays do have a solid young core with Snider, Lind, Hill and the pitchers other than Halladay are pretty good. JP completely screwed the team by signing Wells to that outrageous deal along with all the other moronic moves.

[SPTO]

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Peter Gammons discussed earlier that if the Jays do decide to move Halladay they may just start selling players off (i.e. Rolen, Scutaro, Rios). Quoting Ricciardi as saying if the Jays trade Halladay they will be "starting over".

This is the conventional wisdom right now in Toronto, if Halladay is traded the plan of "this team is going to compete in 2010" is dead and the Jays will not only retool but completely rebuild from the ground up. There is a major danger in doing this as it will send a terrible message to a frustrated and angry fanbase and definitely impact the team attendance wise. I also think the fans here DON'T trust JP to undertake a move of this magnitude and the backlash would be horrendous.

Either way, JP can't win.

[steelcurtain311]

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The Jays are never going to compete, it sucks, but face reality. They've put out well above average teams before, but it can never last. They're in a division with the Yankees, who are always going to spend, spend, spend and make sure that at the worst, they're an above average team. The Sox, who are the best blend of talent/money/management in the game today. And the Rays, who are loaded with awesome young players in terms of pitching and offense both. I don't see any way the Jays are going to contend with those three any time in the next 3-5 years.

[Scottdau]

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So I heard a rumor the Giants are interested. The deal looks like Sanchez and one or 2 of are studs down on the farm. I heard Rios was also in the trade. Who knows how true it is, but that is the buzz here in the Bay Area.

[SPTO]

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The Jays are never going to compete, it sucks, but face reality. They've put out well above average teams before, but it can never last. They're in a division with the Yankees, who are always going to spend, spend, spend and make sure that at the worst, they're an above average team. The Sox, who are the best blend of talent/money/management in the game today. And the Rays, who are loaded with awesome young players in terms of pitching and offense both. I don't see any way the Jays are going to contend with those three any time in the next 3-5 years.

The Jays have a solid pitching pipeline. All they need to do is get some good young hitting to go along with it and they'll compete. It's not like they don't have any pieces to compete. We've seen guys who've come up and pitched lights out that aren't even a blip on the BP/BA top prospects list so it's not out of the realm of possibility for this team to develop young hitting prospects. We already have a good start with Hill, Lind, Snider, Arencebia (sp) and the SS of the future looks real good. (saw him in spring training but he's clearly 3-5 years from being on the big club)

Le'ts not totally be down on the club and see how they do with a real GM in place.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Most of the trade suggestions I read from Giants fans/bloggers are awful. Most suggest the package be built around Sanchez.

If I'm GM of the Jays, the package starts with Posey AND Bumgarner. Any trade involving Doc should start with 2 Blue Chip prospects and a couple of lower grade prospects.

[Scottdau]

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Most of the trade suggestions I read from Giants fans/bloggers are awful. Most suggest the package be built around Sanchez.

If I'm GM of the Jays, the package starts with Posey AND Bumgarner. Any trade involving Doc should start with 2 Blue Chip prospects and a couple of lower grade prospects.

Yep, I was hearing it was Bum, Sanchez and either Posey or Ald. That is a tough one to pass up for both teams in my opinion. Especially if Rios is involved. But when his is contract up by the way?