Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

[Sportsforever]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

Wasn't Ortiz the one who said he thought you should be banned for life if you did this stuff?

[DTX3]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

Wasn't Ortiz the one who said he thought you should be banned for life if you did this stuff?

That doesn't mean anything. Finally the day has come. Ortiz is a fool just like A-Fraud.

[CMH]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

Wasn't Ortiz the one who said he thought you should be banned for life if you did this stuff?

Not life. He said a full season after hearing about ARod's 03 news.

[CMH]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

That doesn't mean anything. Finally the day has come. Ortiz is a fool just like A-Fraud.

So can I call Manny "Man-Ram Me With Steroids"?

[CMH]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

Hispanics have easy access to steroids, which is very true...

I don't think that's the true case. I think they are more likely to be offered steroids and to then take it.

Hispanics are coming from poor neighborhoods in poor countries and seeing dollars as an opportunity to support their family.

When a trainer says that this drug can make that happen, the player is likely to listen. Whereas an American born player is more likely to weigh his options.

The cat's been out the bag on hispanic players juicing. Scouts have often expressed surprise when a guy jumps from 89 to 94 on the gun in a matter of weeks.

[Kashanova]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

So can I call Manny "Man-Ram Me With Steroids"?

that name is just about right...

[Hootiefish]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

The worst part is, this will never end.

MLBPA still won't allow blood testing, meaning that HGH is still running rampant. In ten years we will find out "clean" players from today were using H, and the whole cycle will begin again.

Damn MLB for letting this crap get to the point it did before they were forced to do something about it.

[DTX3]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

that name is just about right...

You would know first hand being a Yankees fan.

[Vince]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

Can they just release all the damn names at once?

[DrJones]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4366335





I don't see anything wrong with this. The fact is, this was not against the rules in 2003. it may be bad for their health, and could've helped some guys break records, but I don't think they should be erased from history becuase they did something that wasn't against the rules at the time.

Wrong. MLB banned a whole list of PED's, including steroids, in 1991. Because they couldn't get the MLBPA to agree to testing until 2003, MLB teams were told by the commissioner's office to handle it internally and make sure their players weren't on roids. LOL. So those 104 players, and all other roiders from 1991 onward, were indeed "cheating".

[Sportsforever]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

The worst part is, this will never end.

MLBPA still won't allow blood testing, meaning that HGH is still running rampant. In ten years we will find out "clean" players from today were using H, and the whole cycle will begin again.

Damn MLB for letting this crap get to the point it did before they were forced to do something about it.

I've said it before...baseball isn't the only sport doing this, yet it seems it's the only sport people care about it in (well, cycling...but it's not mainstream). I'd bet that the NFL/NHL/NBA has had just as many PED users, and yet NO ONE seems to care.

[magnumpc]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

Say it ain't so David:wink:. C'mon now MLB do you really think this is news? Put all the names out there and get it over with! We know Albert's on this list.

[DTX3]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

No he's not.

[Blzer]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

I've said it before...baseball isn't the only sport doing this, yet it seems it's the only sport people care about it in (well, cycling...but it's not mainstream). I'd bet that the NFL/NHL/NBA has had just as many PED users, and yet NO ONE seems to care.

You're right, I don't care. Baseball has a different magic to it and maintained a historical niche in many people's hearts for so long how it was all about natural ability, and bringing these in the sport definitely undermined the integrity of the game, almost as if it's tainted it.

Yet now we walk in here with no surprises who's done what. It's unfortunate, but it's true. We've tolerated it and we've allowed it (by we, I mostly mean the authorities namely Bud Selig).

With all that being said, I want every name to come out... but I'd prefer that it doesn't come out all at once. I like this pace, but I'd rather see it come out more rapidly. I'm waiting for Pujols to appear on this list.

[magnumpc]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

LOL Ortiz. Just this year he said. "Players who are caught doing roids should be banned from baseball for a year." YOU ARE A JOKE ORTIZ. None of these million dollar babies can play ball without help!!!