Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

[DrJones]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

...wonder how long until Griffey Jr.'s name starts popping up.

Griffey's probably the least likely of this generation of sluggers to be on the juice, as the arc of his career numbers are more "traditional", in that he peaked at 27-28 and didn't all of a sudden become a much better hitter in his mid-30s. Also, there are stories out there about Bonds and Griffey talking about the possibility of doing roids in the winter of 98/99 and Griffey being adamant about not being interested. Though whether there's any truth to those stories, who knows?

[bsb13]

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attendance is higher than ever. Fans have said, over and over again, "We don't care if our players were/are juicing as long as our team is winning and we're being entertained."

Entertainment is all that sports are, was, and ever will be. And all this steroid jazz has turned it into a soap opera, and people who probably never tuned in before....will tune in now. So, the fact that attendance is higher than ever doesn't really shock me.

[Kashanova]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

I don't know about that. His biggest hit was the Game 4 hit and that was a blooper. It was the typical tie-me-up cutter that drops in against Mo.

the part of that bloop was that he got jammed and he muscled it for a hit. if he were clean probably ends up in jeters glove

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I have got to get some kind of satellite service. Some other source for sports news on TV besides ESPN. They are so biased, they are an embarrassment to serious journalists everywhere.

Just listening to them on SC just now since I just heard the news. And they are trying to deflect blame from Ortiz, making up possible excuses for him. They are virtually calling the sources lawbreakers (Did they mention that when Barry Bonds tests were stolen from sealed court documents by the SF Examiner?). And giving an almost "so what?" attitude about the reporter who broke the story (Did they do that w/the SI reporter who exposed A-Rod?).

They are such hypocrites! I could just........OOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

[ryanm1058123]

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Does this shock you. They are Red Sox schills and it starts at the top. It's the only reason Peter Gammons is still employed.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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Does this shock you. They are Red Sox schills and it starts at the top. It's the only reason Peter Gammons is still employed.

In no way does it shock me. But it steams me beyond belief. How people can get away w/crappy mess like this. Its one thing that Fox News does this shoddy underhanded junk, because you always have somewhere else to go. But when ESPN has almost a monopoly on sports news on TV, its downright reprehensible.

[SPTO]

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Just listening to them on SC just now since I just heard the news. And they are trying to deflect blame from Ortiz, making up possible excuses for him. They are virtually calling the sources lawbreakers (Did they mention that when Barry Bonds tests were stolen from sealed court documents by the SF Examiner?). And giving an almost "so what?" attitude about the reporter who broke the story (Did they do that w/the SI reporter who exposed A-Rod?).

Ah ESPN, if it wasn't so pathetic it'd be the funniest thing on earth. What makes what you said here even more sad is that ESPN hired one of the writers of the Bonds stories in the SF Examiner and has him working as an investigative reporter.

[Skerik]

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I love Canseco.

"When you tell me something I didn't already know, I'll be surprised,'' Canseco told ESPN. "And I'll tell you this, Major League Baseball is going to have a big, big problem on their hands when they find out they have a Hall of Famer who's used."

When asked to name who that Hall of Fame player is, Canseco refused to divulge who he believes it is.

Who the hell is that?

[SPTO]

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Hmmm I wonder who the HOF'er is.

It has to be someone who's been enshrined in the last 5-8 years.

[J0nnD0ugh]

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I love Canseco.



Who the hell is that?

I say Vegas puts the best odds on Nolan Ryan, 2nd on Eckersley.

[bsb13]

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I love Canseco.



Who the hell is that?

Love or hate Canseco, but he warned everyone of this storm and nobody believed him.

[bsb13]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

If I had to guess, I would say Ricky Henderson used steroids.

[DrJones]

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I love Canseco.



Who the hell is that?

Assuming Canseco is telling the truth here (BIG if), there are only 2 likely candidates: Eck or Rickey.

[SPTO]

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I say Vegas puts the best odds on Nolan Ryan, 2nd on Eckersley.

i could see Ryan dabbling with it late in his career as he was VERY close with Tom House who was the pitching coach at the time. He has admitted to using roids and I wouldn't be surprised if he urged pitchers that he's coached to try them.

Where do you get the Eckersley thing from though?

[Skerik]

Re: Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz on "The List"

If I had to guess, I would say Ricky Henderson used steroids.

That was my first guess as well.