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  • MSRoble33
    MVP
    • Aug 2002
    • 1840

    #31
    Re: Petition(LOL!)

    Alright... I've gotten many an ulcer from discussing this beat-*** topic, so I'm stating my 0.02 now and i'm done..

    The Yanks are NOT the only reason baseball is in a horrid state of affairs. They are not the one's that signed A-Rod, they are not the ones that started the escalating payrolls, HOWEVER, once the high payrolls started, Yankees did it, and did it, and did and did it again... Jeter, Giambi, Posada, most notably are paid more than I believe they are worth... if any of those three are worth the money they are paid, i'd go with Giambi. No slight on the guys, they are all good ball players, but I think the amount they are paid severely skew the payscale around the league, and I'm sure it's not going to end there either.

    Now don't get me wrong, I've done my share of Yankee bashing in my day, but to be honest, I've come to the realization that it's not the Yankees I dislike, it's that piece of steamy monkey crap George Steinbrenner..

    I'll apologize now for jumping around here a little, I just got a handful of points and they are all fighting to be posted here...lol.

    Now, I don't believe money is the ONLY reason the Yanks are successful, it's also a product of good scouting, good training, and, to be honest, stern management.. Joe Torre is old-school.

    Now let's see the Yanks make a poor decision and dump a buttload of money on a prospect and he doesn't pan out *cough*Henson*cough*, what happens? Nothing. They chalk it up as a loss and go after another guy to dump money on, and with scouting like the Yanks got, they tend to only put money on quality players and it works out. Now go to the same scenario for a small-market team... They dump a buttload on a prospect and he doesn't pan out... they are eventually forced to bring him up and play him so as not to make a total waste of their money (ie: Pirates with Chad Hermanson) and eventually either eat the extent of the contract or release him and STILL have to pay it, and in turn will NOT be able to sign help they need to cover that previous flop.

    Basically put the MLB has turned into a big old game of "a$$hole"...where the a$$shole loses his hand and has to give up his two best cards in the next hand to the guy that won the previous hand... thus making it essentially unlikely to climb out, not impossible, but VERY VERY difficult.

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    • Vince
      Bow for Bau
      • Aug 2002
      • 26017

      #32
      Re: Petition(LOL!)

      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      NYGiantsFan5 said:
      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
      LetsGoPitt said: Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

      What about Nick Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Juan Rivera and Erick Almonte who played a huge part in the season so far. But yes, Soriano came over from Japan. I think the Yankees gave him $14 million over 3 years, so other teams just did not want him as bad.

      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
      Yup that Almonte Guy sure did a good job filling in for Jeter.Filled in great with those 5 errors in like 12 or so games.
      @ me or dap me

      http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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      • Vince
        Bow for Bau
        • Aug 2002
        • 26017

        #33
        Re: Petition(LOL!)

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        NYGiantsFan5 said:
        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        LetsGoPitt said: Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

        What about Nick Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Juan Rivera and Erick Almonte who played a huge part in the season so far. But yes, Soriano came over from Japan. I think the Yankees gave him $14 million over 3 years, so other teams just did not want him as bad.

        <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
        Yup that Almonte Guy sure did a good job filling in for Jeter.Filled in great with those 5 errors in like 12 or so games.
        @ me or dap me

        http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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        • Vince
          Bow for Bau
          • Aug 2002
          • 26017

          #34
          Re: Petition(LOL!)

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          NYGiantsFan5 said:
          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          LetsGoPitt said: Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

          What about Nick Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Juan Rivera and Erick Almonte who played a huge part in the season so far. But yes, Soriano came over from Japan. I think the Yankees gave him $14 million over 3 years, so other teams just did not want him as bad.

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
          Yup that Almonte Guy sure did a good job filling in for Jeter.Filled in great with those 5 errors in like 12 or so games.
          @ me or dap me

          http://twitter.com/52isthemike

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          • AI_Franchise03
            MVP
            • Dec 2002
            • 2168

            #35
            Re: Petition(LOL!)

            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
            LetsGoPitt said:
            The Braves don't own a network. Turner owned the Braves and TBS, so it was a natural fit for them to use it. I have no doubt that the YES network was created for the sole purpose to make money that wouldn't have to be included in revenue sharing. It's not like TBS is a Braves-only network like YES is a Yankees-only network.

            The Yankees aren't the sole reason for the downslide of baseball. You can't blame them for A-Rod's contract, for example. However, they are the dominating force for the reason baseball economics are the way that they are. The "Why develop your own players when you can buy them from someone else?" attitude that they've had of late. Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

            <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

            Alfo came from the Yanks farm system. I believe he was given a chance with them after the Japanese league.
            Anyways, TBS only televises the Braves and YES televises Manchester United(soccer), Devils, Nets, and the Yanks. Not only the Yanks. You cannot blame the Yanks for throwing money around for players they have high hopes in. It jsut so happens they're in a big market and trying to compete. You cannot blame the Boss for wanting to win all the time, either. It's his nature. Sports lack these kinds of managers. Their salary is over the cap limit because they signed long term contracts and received players in trades who make a lot of money. E.g. Mondesi and Weaver. How can you dissmiss the fact that Tigers and Reds and other low market teams are building high priced stadiums with the money they get from the revenue sharing that was created for the sole reason of helping such teams help compete and sign players. Instead they build these expensive advanced parks and still fail to attract the crowd and fans.
            It's pathetic of other fans to hate a franchise, because of their success, and more pathetic using them as scapegoats for MLB's problems.

            P.S. BoSox and Orioles are some more teams who own or waiting on a TV network. It's one of the way to pay the absurd prices the players today are asking.
            " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
            - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

            The World Is At Your Feet.

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            • AI_Franchise03
              MVP
              • Dec 2002
              • 2168

              #36
              Re: Petition(LOL!)

              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
              LetsGoPitt said:
              The Braves don't own a network. Turner owned the Braves and TBS, so it was a natural fit for them to use it. I have no doubt that the YES network was created for the sole purpose to make money that wouldn't have to be included in revenue sharing. It's not like TBS is a Braves-only network like YES is a Yankees-only network.

              The Yankees aren't the sole reason for the downslide of baseball. You can't blame them for A-Rod's contract, for example. However, they are the dominating force for the reason baseball economics are the way that they are. The "Why develop your own players when you can buy them from someone else?" attitude that they've had of late. Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

              Alfo came from the Yanks farm system. I believe he was given a chance with them after the Japanese league.
              Anyways, TBS only televises the Braves and YES televises Manchester United(soccer), Devils, Nets, and the Yanks. Not only the Yanks. You cannot blame the Yanks for throwing money around for players they have high hopes in. It jsut so happens they're in a big market and trying to compete. You cannot blame the Boss for wanting to win all the time, either. It's his nature. Sports lack these kinds of managers. Their salary is over the cap limit because they signed long term contracts and received players in trades who make a lot of money. E.g. Mondesi and Weaver. How can you dissmiss the fact that Tigers and Reds and other low market teams are building high priced stadiums with the money they get from the revenue sharing that was created for the sole reason of helping such teams help compete and sign players. Instead they build these expensive advanced parks and still fail to attract the crowd and fans.
              It's pathetic of other fans to hate a franchise, because of their success, and more pathetic using them as scapegoats for MLB's problems.

              P.S. BoSox and Orioles are some more teams who own or waiting on a TV network. It's one of the way to pay the absurd prices the players today are asking.
              " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
              - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

              The World Is At Your Feet.

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              • AI_Franchise03
                MVP
                • Dec 2002
                • 2168

                #37
                Re: Petition(LOL!)

                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                LetsGoPitt said:
                The Braves don't own a network. Turner owned the Braves and TBS, so it was a natural fit for them to use it. I have no doubt that the YES network was created for the sole purpose to make money that wouldn't have to be included in revenue sharing. It's not like TBS is a Braves-only network like YES is a Yankees-only network.

                The Yankees aren't the sole reason for the downslide of baseball. You can't blame them for A-Rod's contract, for example. However, they are the dominating force for the reason baseball economics are the way that they are. The "Why develop your own players when you can buy them from someone else?" attitude that they've had of late. Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Alfo came from the Yanks farm system. I believe he was given a chance with them after the Japanese league.
                Anyways, TBS only televises the Braves and YES televises Manchester United(soccer), Devils, Nets, and the Yanks. Not only the Yanks. You cannot blame the Yanks for throwing money around for players they have high hopes in. It jsut so happens they're in a big market and trying to compete. You cannot blame the Boss for wanting to win all the time, either. It's his nature. Sports lack these kinds of managers. Their salary is over the cap limit because they signed long term contracts and received players in trades who make a lot of money. E.g. Mondesi and Weaver. How can you dissmiss the fact that Tigers and Reds and other low market teams are building high priced stadiums with the money they get from the revenue sharing that was created for the sole reason of helping such teams help compete and sign players. Instead they build these expensive advanced parks and still fail to attract the crowd and fans.
                It's pathetic of other fans to hate a franchise, because of their success, and more pathetic using them as scapegoats for MLB's problems.

                P.S. BoSox and Orioles are some more teams who own or waiting on a TV network. It's one of the way to pay the absurd prices the players today are asking.
                " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                The World Is At Your Feet.

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                • LetsGoPitt
                  Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5673

                  #38
                  Re: Petition(LOL!)

                  Interesting analogy with the game of A$$hole...

                  To be fair, the Pirates didnt' spend a lot of money on Chad Hermansen, and it was a premature call-up that ruined his career, IMO. Courtesy of the Idiot Bonifay as usual.

                  To their credit, the Yankees have done a good job of taking a bad situation and twisting it to their advantage and becoming successful from it. They did't create the problem, they just perpetuated it.
                  “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                  • LetsGoPitt
                    Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 5673

                    #39
                    Re: Petition(LOL!)

                    Interesting analogy with the game of A$$hole...

                    To be fair, the Pirates didnt' spend a lot of money on Chad Hermansen, and it was a premature call-up that ruined his career, IMO. Courtesy of the Idiot Bonifay as usual.

                    To their credit, the Yankees have done a good job of taking a bad situation and twisting it to their advantage and becoming successful from it. They did't create the problem, they just perpetuated it.
                    “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                    • LetsGoPitt
                      Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 5673

                      #40
                      Re: Petition(LOL!)

                      Interesting analogy with the game of A$$hole...

                      To be fair, the Pirates didnt' spend a lot of money on Chad Hermansen, and it was a premature call-up that ruined his career, IMO. Courtesy of the Idiot Bonifay as usual.

                      To their credit, the Yankees have done a good job of taking a bad situation and twisting it to their advantage and becoming successful from it. They did't create the problem, they just perpetuated it.
                      “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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                      • kweiss
                        MVP
                        • May 2003
                        • 1886

                        #41
                        Re: Petition(LOL!)

                        I have a question about YES network. I don't live in New York so I have never watched it. My question is what exactly do they play on YES? I know they play the baseball games, but besides that what is on the air?

                        Anyway, I think the Yankees do have to high of a payroll, but so do a lot of other teams, they just aren't as good. The fact is that people don't like it when the same team always wins. For us Non-Yankee fans, it isn't any fun to watch the Yankees have a guaranteed trip to the playoffs and always win the World Series.

                        The problem is it is going to stay like that. Their payroll isn't getting any smaller, and every time the Yankees have an average month or two, as we recently saw, Steinbrenner freaks out thinking the glory is over. If the Yankees ever do have a bad year we all know that in the off season all George is going to do is load up with as much talent as possible.

                        The problem is that baseball is just so lop sided. A team like the Yankees have a $120 million dollar payroll and are in contention to win the World Series every year, and then you have a bunch of teams that are struggling to pay their $30 million dollar payroll and can only dream of playing in the World Series. That is why people hate the Yankees.

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                        • kweiss
                          MVP
                          • May 2003
                          • 1886

                          #42
                          Re: Petition(LOL!)

                          I have a question about YES network. I don't live in New York so I have never watched it. My question is what exactly do they play on YES? I know they play the baseball games, but besides that what is on the air?

                          Anyway, I think the Yankees do have to high of a payroll, but so do a lot of other teams, they just aren't as good. The fact is that people don't like it when the same team always wins. For us Non-Yankee fans, it isn't any fun to watch the Yankees have a guaranteed trip to the playoffs and always win the World Series.

                          The problem is it is going to stay like that. Their payroll isn't getting any smaller, and every time the Yankees have an average month or two, as we recently saw, Steinbrenner freaks out thinking the glory is over. If the Yankees ever do have a bad year we all know that in the off season all George is going to do is load up with as much talent as possible.

                          The problem is that baseball is just so lop sided. A team like the Yankees have a $120 million dollar payroll and are in contention to win the World Series every year, and then you have a bunch of teams that are struggling to pay their $30 million dollar payroll and can only dream of playing in the World Series. That is why people hate the Yankees.

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                          • kweiss
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 1886

                            #43
                            Re: Petition(LOL!)

                            I have a question about YES network. I don't live in New York so I have never watched it. My question is what exactly do they play on YES? I know they play the baseball games, but besides that what is on the air?

                            Anyway, I think the Yankees do have to high of a payroll, but so do a lot of other teams, they just aren't as good. The fact is that people don't like it when the same team always wins. For us Non-Yankee fans, it isn't any fun to watch the Yankees have a guaranteed trip to the playoffs and always win the World Series.

                            The problem is it is going to stay like that. Their payroll isn't getting any smaller, and every time the Yankees have an average month or two, as we recently saw, Steinbrenner freaks out thinking the glory is over. If the Yankees ever do have a bad year we all know that in the off season all George is going to do is load up with as much talent as possible.

                            The problem is that baseball is just so lop sided. A team like the Yankees have a $120 million dollar payroll and are in contention to win the World Series every year, and then you have a bunch of teams that are struggling to pay their $30 million dollar payroll and can only dream of playing in the World Series. That is why people hate the Yankees.

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                            • AI_Franchise03
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 2168

                              #44
                              Re: Petition(LOL!)

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              Vinceanity2k3 said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              NYGiantsFan5 said:
                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              LetsGoPitt said: Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              What about Nick Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Juan Rivera and Erick Almonte who played a huge part in the season so far. But yes, Soriano came over from Japan. I think the Yankees gave him $14 million over 3 years, so other teams just did not want him as bad.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                              Yup that Almonte Guy sure did a good job filling in for Jeter.Filled in great with those 5 errors in like 12 or so games.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              The point he wanted to make was that THEY DIDN'T go after Tejada or other players to fill in the void like you know they could. You're here critisizing the Yanks for bringing up a player from the Minors to fill in for Jeter? You would be probably crying if they were to trade for your team's SS.
                              " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                              - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                              The World Is At Your Feet.

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                              • AI_Franchise03
                                MVP
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 2168

                                #45
                                Re: Petition(LOL!)

                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                Vinceanity2k3 said:
                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                NYGiantsFan5 said:
                                </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                                LetsGoPitt said: Sure they have home-grown talent, but the last group of names I can remember are Pettite, Williams, and Jeter. Soriano maybe, but he came from elsewhere.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                What about Nick Johnson, Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Juan Rivera and Erick Almonte who played a huge part in the season so far. But yes, Soriano came over from Japan. I think the Yankees gave him $14 million over 3 years, so other teams just did not want him as bad.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
                                Yup that Almonte Guy sure did a good job filling in for Jeter.Filled in great with those 5 errors in like 12 or so games.

                                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                                The point he wanted to make was that THEY DIDN'T go after Tejada or other players to fill in the void like you know they could. You're here critisizing the Yanks for bringing up a player from the Minors to fill in for Jeter? You would be probably crying if they were to trade for your team's SS.
                                " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                                - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                                The World Is At Your Feet.

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