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  • OSUFan_88
    Outback Jesus
    • Jul 2004
    • 25642

    #181
    Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

    Originally posted by Olson-for-Heisman
    Er, how do you know those exact sequence of events would have occurred if Mauer were on second?

    The Twins stranded a bunch of runners. There's no guarantee he would have scored.
    How do you not know more runs would have scored because Marte gets more aggressive and makes a big mistake?

    The simple fact of the matter is we will never know because MLB is stubborn and Cuzzi is blind.
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    • Sandman42
      Hall Of Fame
      • Aug 2004
      • 15186

      #182
      Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

      That would have been a home run in the old stadium also. Right down the line its the same dimensions. The only place this shorter is right to right-center field.
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      • SPTO
        binging
        • Feb 2003
        • 68046

        #183
        Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

        Originally posted by jeremym480
        Exactly. My hatred for The Yankee's continues to grow with each passing day.... Must get help. Hopefully, the Mertodome will bring out the Kirby Puckett's, Kent Hrbek's and Jack Morris's in all the Twins players.
        I hope the folks in Minnesota make so much noise that it'll be impossible for the Yanks to concentrate. I'm talking 1987 noise levels here.
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        • CMH
          Making you famous
          • Oct 2002
          • 26203

          #184
          Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

          Originally posted by OSUFan_88
          The simple fact of the matter is we will never know...
          This. The rest is speculation. It was a blown call. We've seen plenty of them in our lives and it never feels right, no matter which side you're on.

          Unfortunately, nothing changes it and the result is the result.
          "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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          • Sportsforever
            NL MVP
            • Mar 2005
            • 20368

            #185
            Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

            Originally posted by YankeePride
            This. The rest is speculation. It was a blown call. We've seen plenty of them in our lives and it never feels right, no matter which side you're on.

            Unfortunately, nothing changes it and the result is the result.
            While I agree, I can bet that Yankee fans would be up in arms if the shoe was on the other foot. I wouldn't expect Twins fans to just shrug their shoulders and move on. The Twins had every opportunity to win without the call though...Nathan blowing it, the bases loaded in the 11th.
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            • CMH
              Making you famous
              • Oct 2002
              • 26203

              #186
              Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

              Originally posted by Sportsforever
              While I agree, I can bet that Yankee fans would be up in arms if the shoe was on the other foot. I wouldn't expect Twins fans to just shrug their shoulders and move on. The Twins had every opportunity to win without the call though...Nathan blowing it, the bases loaded in the 11th.
              Of course I don't expect the Twins fans to be comfortable with the result. I'm expecting to hear/read them complain about it all series and into the future. And they are right to complain. It was a blown call that could have changed that entire 11th inning.

              My point is that there is nothing we can do. If it happened to the Yankees (and I've seen my fair share of blown calls against the Yanks in the postseason), I would be upset about it, but my anger won't change a thing. I feel bad for the Twins fans because it affected the result, but what am I supposed to do? Should I hate my hometown team because the umpire blew a call?
              "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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              • Artman22
                MVP
                • Jul 2006
                • 4985

                #187
                Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                Originally posted by TheLetterZ
                You're wrong.
                A phillies fan lol wow. You guys a very small ballpark please..
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                • mvb34
                  S**c*d* P**l C*-Ch*mp**n
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 8138

                  #188
                  Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                  I sure hope the Twins add real power to the lineup next year since they are going be playing outside next year.. The Yankees are too powerful ..
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                  • Sportsforever
                    NL MVP
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 20368

                    #189
                    Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                    Originally posted by YankeePride
                    Of course I don't expect the Twins fans to be comfortable with the result. I'm expecting to hear/read them complain about it all series and into the future. And they are right to complain. It was a blown call that could have changed that entire 11th inning.

                    My point is that there is nothing we can do. If it happened to the Yankees (and I've seen my fair share of blown calls against the Yanks in the postseason), I would be upset about it, but my anger won't change a thing. I feel bad for the Twins fans because it affected the result, but what am I supposed to do? Should I hate my hometown team because the umpire blew a call?
                    Nope. It just seems as if the tone from Yankees fans is that this happens, tough cookies, get over it, it didn't change the outcome of the game.
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                    • djep
                      MVP
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 1128

                      #190
                      Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                      how can you assume that everything would'be gone down the same way if mauer's hit had been ruled fair? Maybe the next 3 guys strike out, maybe someone cranks a homer....who knows? Fact is that once you get to bases loaded without any outs you need to push ay least one run across.

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                      • Whitesox
                        Closet pyromaniac
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 5287

                        #191
                        Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                        Originally posted by djep
                        how can you assume that everything would'be gone down the same way if mauer's hit had been ruled fair? Maybe the next 3 guys strike out, maybe someone cranks a homer....who knows?
                        Agreed. Did the ball bounce over the wall?(It escapes my memory) If not, how do you know Mauer would have had a double?

                        Maybe he trips rounding first, maybe the left fielder fumbles the ball in the corner, maybe there is a throwing error.

                        There are way too many variables in baseball to wonder what would have happened. Which leads to...

                        Originally posted by djep
                        Fact is that once you get to bases loaded without any outs you need to push ay least one run across.
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                        • nemesis04
                          RIP Ty My Buddy
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 13530

                          #192
                          Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                          Originally posted by djep
                          how can you assume that everything would'be gone down the same way if mauer's hit had been ruled fair? Maybe the next 3 guys strike out, maybe someone cranks a homer....who knows? Fact is that once you get to bases loaded without any outs you need to push ay least one run across.
                          Realistically, if we rewind what happened using what was done after Mauer's hit, one run scores which would have been tied in the bottom of the inning and the game would have continued if nothing else happened after Tex's homer.

                          It was a crappy call but the bottom line is that the Twins should have been nowhere near extra innings, the game was theirs. Nathan is a complete disaster when he plays the Yanks!
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                          • Whitesox
                            Closet pyromaniac
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 5287

                            #193
                            Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                            Originally posted by nemesis04
                            Realistically, if we rewind what happened using what was done after Mauer's hit, one run scores which would have been tied in the bottom of the inning and the game would have continued if nothing else happened after Tex's homer.

                            It was a crappy call but the bottom line is that the Twins should have been nowhere near extra innings, the game was theirs. Nathan is a complete disaster when he plays the Yanks!
                            But the way a pitcher approaches a hitter with a RISP vs. No RISP is different. Who knows if he would have thrown the pitch that got hit with Mauer on second?
                            Last edited by Whitesox; 10-09-2009, 10:42 PM.
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                            • nemesis04
                              RIP Ty My Buddy
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 13530

                              #194
                              Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                              Originally posted by whitesox
                              But the way a pitcher approaches a hitter with a RISP vs. No RISP is different. Who knows if he would have thrown the pitch that got hit with Mauer on second?
                              I understand that, just talking worst case scenario based on what happened after Mauer's hit IF it occurred the same way.
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                              • Chip Douglass
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Dec 2005
                                • 12256

                                #195
                                Re: ALDS: Twins vs Yankees

                                Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                                How do you not know more runs would have scored because Marte gets more aggressive and makes a big mistake?

                                The simple fact of the matter is we will never know because MLB is stubborn and Cuzzi is blind.
                                Exactly. It's pure speculation at this point.

                                Perhaps Marte implodes, perhaps he strikes out the side. We don't know, but it's not at all a stretch to assume that Mauer would have been stranded at 2nd.

                                If you want to assume the same sequence of events would have occurred after Mauer's "double", then you also have to assume Texiera would have tied it with the home run.
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