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  • Sabercatsfan
    MVP
    • May 2003
    • 1443

    #166
    Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

    I gotta go with Andruw Jones.
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    • BernieWilliams51
      Pro
      • Aug 2002
      • 634

      #167
      Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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      Vinceanity2k3 said:
      NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR
      Vernon Wells, Tor 82 82 720.1 205 203 1 1 0 .995 2.55 .934
      Johnny Damon, Bos 74 72 660.1 203 200 3 0 1 1.000 2.77 .934
      Mike Cameron, Sea 73 71 635.0 244 243 0 1 1 .996 3.44 .929
      Torii Hunter, Min 75 75 664.0 221 215 2 4 0 .982 2.94 .925
      Carlos Beltran, KC 53 52 466.2 155 150 3 2 0 .987 2.95 .913
      Jim Edmonds, StL 70 65 558.1 201 195 5 1 1 .995 3.22 .913
      Milton Bradley, Cle 61 61 553.2 186 181 4 1 3 .995 3.01 .911
      Alex Sanchez, Det/Mil 63 63 556.0 194 187 3 4 1 .979 3.08 .909
      Dave Roberts, LA 57 54 483.2 114 109 3 2 1 .982 2.08 .890
      Gary Matthews Jr., Bal/SD 56 51 470.0 134 132 2 0 0 1.000 2.57 .883
      Chris Singleton, Oak 54 45 400.1 95 92 1 2 1 .979 2.09 .881
      Corey Patterson, ChC 76 74 667.2 147 140 3 4 1 .973 1.93 .876
      Endy Chavez, Mon 72 68 602.2 173 165 5 3 1 .983 2.54 .876
      Marquis Grissom, SF 76 73 635.2 191 185 1 5 0 .974 2.63 .876
      Mark Kotsay, SD 57 55 479.2 157 150 5 2 2 .987 2.91 .875
      Rocco Baldelli, TB 76 73 650.0 234 223 9 2 4 .991 3.21 .871
      Craig Biggio, Hou 75 75 669.1 179 173 6 0 1 1.000 2.41 .862
      Steve Finley, Ari 67 60 547.2 140 133 4 3 1 .979 2.25 .846
      Kenny Lofton, Pit 68 67 597.0 159 155 4 0 2 1.000 2.40 .844
      Juan Pierre, Fla 82 82 728.1 201 194 4 3 3 .985 2.45 .833
      Preston Wilson, Col 81 80 694.0 181 174 4 3 0 .983 2.31 .829
      Andruw Jones, Atl 76 75 669.1 201 196 3 2 0 .990 2.68 .825




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      I think Bernie would be up near the top if he was healthy. Bernie is still a great defensive centerfielder. He MIGHT have lost a step but still can run down those shots to death valley in Yankee Stadium.

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      • BernieWilliams51
        Pro
        • Aug 2002
        • 634

        #168
        Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
        Vinceanity2k3 said:
        NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR
        Vernon Wells, Tor 82 82 720.1 205 203 1 1 0 .995 2.55 .934
        Johnny Damon, Bos 74 72 660.1 203 200 3 0 1 1.000 2.77 .934
        Mike Cameron, Sea 73 71 635.0 244 243 0 1 1 .996 3.44 .929
        Torii Hunter, Min 75 75 664.0 221 215 2 4 0 .982 2.94 .925
        Carlos Beltran, KC 53 52 466.2 155 150 3 2 0 .987 2.95 .913
        Jim Edmonds, StL 70 65 558.1 201 195 5 1 1 .995 3.22 .913
        Milton Bradley, Cle 61 61 553.2 186 181 4 1 3 .995 3.01 .911
        Alex Sanchez, Det/Mil 63 63 556.0 194 187 3 4 1 .979 3.08 .909
        Dave Roberts, LA 57 54 483.2 114 109 3 2 1 .982 2.08 .890
        Gary Matthews Jr., Bal/SD 56 51 470.0 134 132 2 0 0 1.000 2.57 .883
        Chris Singleton, Oak 54 45 400.1 95 92 1 2 1 .979 2.09 .881
        Corey Patterson, ChC 76 74 667.2 147 140 3 4 1 .973 1.93 .876
        Endy Chavez, Mon 72 68 602.2 173 165 5 3 1 .983 2.54 .876
        Marquis Grissom, SF 76 73 635.2 191 185 1 5 0 .974 2.63 .876
        Mark Kotsay, SD 57 55 479.2 157 150 5 2 2 .987 2.91 .875
        Rocco Baldelli, TB 76 73 650.0 234 223 9 2 4 .991 3.21 .871
        Craig Biggio, Hou 75 75 669.1 179 173 6 0 1 1.000 2.41 .862
        Steve Finley, Ari 67 60 547.2 140 133 4 3 1 .979 2.25 .846
        Kenny Lofton, Pit 68 67 597.0 159 155 4 0 2 1.000 2.40 .844
        Juan Pierre, Fla 82 82 728.1 201 194 4 3 3 .985 2.45 .833
        Preston Wilson, Col 81 80 694.0 181 174 4 3 0 .983 2.31 .829
        Andruw Jones, Atl 76 75 669.1 201 196 3 2 0 .990 2.68 .825




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        I think Bernie would be up near the top if he was healthy. Bernie is still a great defensive centerfielder. He MIGHT have lost a step but still can run down those shots to death valley in Yankee Stadium.

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        • BernieWilliams51
          Pro
          • Aug 2002
          • 634

          #169
          Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

          </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
          Vinceanity2k3 said:
          NAME GP GS INN TC PO A E DP FPCT RF ZR
          Vernon Wells, Tor 82 82 720.1 205 203 1 1 0 .995 2.55 .934
          Johnny Damon, Bos 74 72 660.1 203 200 3 0 1 1.000 2.77 .934
          Mike Cameron, Sea 73 71 635.0 244 243 0 1 1 .996 3.44 .929
          Torii Hunter, Min 75 75 664.0 221 215 2 4 0 .982 2.94 .925
          Carlos Beltran, KC 53 52 466.2 155 150 3 2 0 .987 2.95 .913
          Jim Edmonds, StL 70 65 558.1 201 195 5 1 1 .995 3.22 .913
          Milton Bradley, Cle 61 61 553.2 186 181 4 1 3 .995 3.01 .911
          Alex Sanchez, Det/Mil 63 63 556.0 194 187 3 4 1 .979 3.08 .909
          Dave Roberts, LA 57 54 483.2 114 109 3 2 1 .982 2.08 .890
          Gary Matthews Jr., Bal/SD 56 51 470.0 134 132 2 0 0 1.000 2.57 .883
          Chris Singleton, Oak 54 45 400.1 95 92 1 2 1 .979 2.09 .881
          Corey Patterson, ChC 76 74 667.2 147 140 3 4 1 .973 1.93 .876
          Endy Chavez, Mon 72 68 602.2 173 165 5 3 1 .983 2.54 .876
          Marquis Grissom, SF 76 73 635.2 191 185 1 5 0 .974 2.63 .876
          Mark Kotsay, SD 57 55 479.2 157 150 5 2 2 .987 2.91 .875
          Rocco Baldelli, TB 76 73 650.0 234 223 9 2 4 .991 3.21 .871
          Craig Biggio, Hou 75 75 669.1 179 173 6 0 1 1.000 2.41 .862
          Steve Finley, Ari 67 60 547.2 140 133 4 3 1 .979 2.25 .846
          Kenny Lofton, Pit 68 67 597.0 159 155 4 0 2 1.000 2.40 .844
          Juan Pierre, Fla 82 82 728.1 201 194 4 3 3 .985 2.45 .833
          Preston Wilson, Col 81 80 694.0 181 174 4 3 0 .983 2.31 .829
          Andruw Jones, Atl 76 75 669.1 201 196 3 2 0 .990 2.68 .825




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          I think Bernie would be up near the top if he was healthy. Bernie is still a great defensive centerfielder. He MIGHT have lost a step but still can run down those shots to death valley in Yankee Stadium.

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          • AI_Franchise03
            MVP
            • Dec 2002
            • 2168

            #170
            Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

            Pos G PO A E DP FP
            CF 853 2110 61 27 14 .988 (Jim Edmonds)
            CF 866 2372 65 25 17 .990 (Andruw Jones)

            Prior to this season, in Jim Edmonds' 10 year career he has won 5 Gold Glove awards.
            Andruw Jones won the same number of Gold Gloves in his 7 year career.

            Other guys who were mentioned that have won Gold Gloves are Griffey(14 years, 891 Gs, .985%) with whopping 10, Bernie(12 years, 974 Gs, .991%) with 4, Torii(5 years, 504 Gs, .992%) with 2, Cameron(8 years, 847 Gs, .990%) has one.
            Lofton(12 years, 949 Gs, .985%), though he wasn't mentioned, has 4. Beltran and Vernon, sadly, have none so far..
            One other thing.. Making a great catch seems like routine with Andruw.
            " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
            - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

            The World Is At Your Feet.

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            • AI_Franchise03
              MVP
              • Dec 2002
              • 2168

              #171
              Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

              Pos G PO A E DP FP
              CF 853 2110 61 27 14 .988 (Jim Edmonds)
              CF 866 2372 65 25 17 .990 (Andruw Jones)

              Prior to this season, in Jim Edmonds' 10 year career he has won 5 Gold Glove awards.
              Andruw Jones won the same number of Gold Gloves in his 7 year career.

              Other guys who were mentioned that have won Gold Gloves are Griffey(14 years, 891 Gs, .985%) with whopping 10, Bernie(12 years, 974 Gs, .991%) with 4, Torii(5 years, 504 Gs, .992%) with 2, Cameron(8 years, 847 Gs, .990%) has one.
              Lofton(12 years, 949 Gs, .985%), though he wasn't mentioned, has 4. Beltran and Vernon, sadly, have none so far..
              One other thing.. Making a great catch seems like routine with Andruw.
              " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
              - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

              The World Is At Your Feet.

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              • AI_Franchise03
                MVP
                • Dec 2002
                • 2168

                #172
                Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                Pos G PO A E DP FP
                CF 853 2110 61 27 14 .988 (Jim Edmonds)
                CF 866 2372 65 25 17 .990 (Andruw Jones)

                Prior to this season, in Jim Edmonds' 10 year career he has won 5 Gold Glove awards.
                Andruw Jones won the same number of Gold Gloves in his 7 year career.

                Other guys who were mentioned that have won Gold Gloves are Griffey(14 years, 891 Gs, .985%) with whopping 10, Bernie(12 years, 974 Gs, .991%) with 4, Torii(5 years, 504 Gs, .992%) with 2, Cameron(8 years, 847 Gs, .990%) has one.
                Lofton(12 years, 949 Gs, .985%), though he wasn't mentioned, has 4. Beltran and Vernon, sadly, have none so far..
                One other thing.. Making a great catch seems like routine with Andruw.
                " I look at him and it's getting to the point where it's just scaring me. He looks younger but he doesn't carry himself in a younger manner. He's impressive, and I'm glad we drafted him. "
                - Lavar Arrington on his new Redskins teammate Sean Taylor.

                The World Is At Your Feet.

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                • Dkknight
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 37

                  #173
                  Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                  Andruw Jones is the best centerfielder in the game. He makes plays look so easy. People often question whether he is the best because he's done it so long that people take it for granted. Offensively, I think Edmonds might have a slight edge, but Jones is no scrub with the stick either. Tori is probably the best defensively in the AL. Beltran is going to be the centerfielder of the future for the AL and Vernon Wells is an rbi machine. I think someone to watch in the NL would be corey patterson. He has a blend of defensive prowess and hitting as well. If he develops more patience at the plate and some more power, he could compete for the best centerfielder position.

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                  • Dkknight
                    Rookie
                    • Apr 2003
                    • 37

                    #174
                    Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                    Andruw Jones is the best centerfielder in the game. He makes plays look so easy. People often question whether he is the best because he's done it so long that people take it for granted. Offensively, I think Edmonds might have a slight edge, but Jones is no scrub with the stick either. Tori is probably the best defensively in the AL. Beltran is going to be the centerfielder of the future for the AL and Vernon Wells is an rbi machine. I think someone to watch in the NL would be corey patterson. He has a blend of defensive prowess and hitting as well. If he develops more patience at the plate and some more power, he could compete for the best centerfielder position.

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                    • Dkknight
                      Rookie
                      • Apr 2003
                      • 37

                      #175
                      Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                      Andruw Jones is the best centerfielder in the game. He makes plays look so easy. People often question whether he is the best because he's done it so long that people take it for granted. Offensively, I think Edmonds might have a slight edge, but Jones is no scrub with the stick either. Tori is probably the best defensively in the AL. Beltran is going to be the centerfielder of the future for the AL and Vernon Wells is an rbi machine. I think someone to watch in the NL would be corey patterson. He has a blend of defensive prowess and hitting as well. If he develops more patience at the plate and some more power, he could compete for the best centerfielder position.

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                      • rsox
                        All Star
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 6309

                        #176
                        Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                        1 Tori Hunter
                        2 Andruw Jones
                        3 Vernon Wells
                        4 Jim Edmonds
                        5 Ken Griffey (When Healthy)

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                        • rsox
                          All Star
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 6309

                          #177
                          Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                          1 Tori Hunter
                          2 Andruw Jones
                          3 Vernon Wells
                          4 Jim Edmonds
                          5 Ken Griffey (When Healthy)

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                          • rsox
                            All Star
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 6309

                            #178
                            Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                            1 Tori Hunter
                            2 Andruw Jones
                            3 Vernon Wells
                            4 Jim Edmonds
                            5 Ken Griffey (When Healthy)

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                            • skem
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 15

                              #179
                              Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                              Sad to see Darin Erstad getting no love at all. The man is the best defender in the game, bar none. I'd say the "complete package" is definitely Jim Edmonds, but Erstad is the best defender.

                              I'm a Braves fan. Andruw Jones simply isn't the defender he was two years ago, and that's to be expected. He's older and he's filled out. Expect guys like Bradley to lose luster defensively as well.

                              Bernie Williams is pretty bad defensively, even though he used to be pretty good. He solidifies the horrible Yankee Middle Defense (with Jeter, Soriano, and Bernie). Bernie's one of the better offensive CFs, though.

                              Vernon Wells is a monster, offensively and defensively. Mike Cameron as well (I'd say the Griffey deal worked out for the Mariners OK, eh?). Melvin Mora is having an awesome year, he may keep it up, he may not, but he's been up there with the best of them this year.

                              Corey Patterson's having a great year, but I'm not totally convinced yet.

                              Overall..

                              1. Jim Edmonds
                              2. Darin Erstad
                              3. Mike Cameron
                              4. Andruw Jones
                              5. Vernon Wells

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                              • skem
                                Rookie
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 15

                                #180
                                Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

                                Sad to see Darin Erstad getting no love at all. The man is the best defender in the game, bar none. I'd say the "complete package" is definitely Jim Edmonds, but Erstad is the best defender.

                                I'm a Braves fan. Andruw Jones simply isn't the defender he was two years ago, and that's to be expected. He's older and he's filled out. Expect guys like Bradley to lose luster defensively as well.

                                Bernie Williams is pretty bad defensively, even though he used to be pretty good. He solidifies the horrible Yankee Middle Defense (with Jeter, Soriano, and Bernie). Bernie's one of the better offensive CFs, though.

                                Vernon Wells is a monster, offensively and defensively. Mike Cameron as well (I'd say the Griffey deal worked out for the Mariners OK, eh?). Melvin Mora is having an awesome year, he may keep it up, he may not, but he's been up there with the best of them this year.

                                Corey Patterson's having a great year, but I'm not totally convinced yet.

                                Overall..

                                1. Jim Edmonds
                                2. Darin Erstad
                                3. Mike Cameron
                                4. Andruw Jones
                                5. Vernon Wells

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