whos the best CF in the majors???

**3rdAnswer** · 06-30-2003, 04:12 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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dieselboy said:
Edmonds has an OPS of 1.098 this season.

The next closes for a CF is Vernon Wells, with .919.

Edmonds is currently the best in the game.

Most underrated CF is Beltran. He is in the 2nd tier of defensive CFs, and his numbers don't lie. He is good for about 25 HRs, 90-100 RBIs, an OPS of the upper .800s, and he steals about 30 bags a year.

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You're right about Beltran. He gets slept on an awful lot.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 04:18 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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dce1228 said:
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Superstar said:
How come no one is talking about Milton Bradley? He is having a great offensive year, and is starting to take command in the outfield, did you guys see his catch yesterday against Dunn it was amazing, I would say Milton Bradley is the best up and coming CF, probably Jones ATL overall, Hunter Best defensive, and Edmunds(sp) Best Offensive............. Also Bradley last night broke his streak of 31 staright games of getting on base, and he also had another streak of 30 straight games of getting on base earlier this year.

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I like Milton Bradley, but he's had one great half of one season while the rest of the guys we're debating have been doing it for several seasons now. If we're having this debate next year at this time and Bradley is still putting up the numbers I'll consider him.

As for up-and-coming, the guy is 26, he isn't some kid just up from the minors. He's been bumping around for 3 seasons now.

Beltran and Vernon Wells are the guys. Hunter's offensive weaknesses have been exposed and Edmonds, the streaky hitter that he is, will cool down or get hurt, maybe both... and he makes all those great catches because he has too, his range can't compare with the other guys.

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Yes it can.Edmonds' range is as good as anyone right now.

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Come on, he's 34 years old (last friday), a white boy, AND has a history of injury. I don't think that's biologically plausible.

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33,he's an exception

,yes it is.

Here is a stat that PROVES his range is better.

Jim Edmonds has a better Zone rating than Andruw Jones.

Jim's is at 913 and Jones is at 825,worst among starting CF's.

ZR is The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone. Range factor is another stat that shows who has better range and Edmonds' is better than Jones'.

I know i'm using alot of stats but it's the best way to prove my point.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 04:18 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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dce1228 said:
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Vinceanity2k3 said:
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dce1228 said:
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Superstar said:
How come no one is talking about Milton Bradley? He is having a great offensive year, and is starting to take command in the outfield, did you guys see his catch yesterday against Dunn it was amazing, I would say Milton Bradley is the best up and coming CF, probably Jones ATL overall, Hunter Best defensive, and Edmunds(sp) Best Offensive............. Also Bradley last night broke his streak of 31 staright games of getting on base, and he also had another streak of 30 straight games of getting on base earlier this year.

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I like Milton Bradley, but he's had one great half of one season while the rest of the guys we're debating have been doing it for several seasons now. If we're having this debate next year at this time and Bradley is still putting up the numbers I'll consider him.

As for up-and-coming, the guy is 26, he isn't some kid just up from the minors. He's been bumping around for 3 seasons now.

Beltran and Vernon Wells are the guys. Hunter's offensive weaknesses have been exposed and Edmonds, the streaky hitter that he is, will cool down or get hurt, maybe both... and he makes all those great catches because he has too, his range can't compare with the other guys.

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Yes it can.Edmonds' range is as good as anyone right now.

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Come on, he's 34 years old (last friday), a white boy, AND has a history of injury. I don't think that's biologically plausible.

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33,he's an exception

,yes it is.

Here is a stat that PROVES his range is better.

Jim Edmonds has a better Zone rating than Andruw Jones.

Jim's is at 913 and Jones is at 825,worst among starting CF's.

ZR is The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone. Range factor is another stat that shows who has better range and Edmonds' is better than Jones'.

I know i'm using alot of stats but it's the best way to prove my point.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 04:18 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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dce1228 said:
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Vinceanity2k3 said:
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dce1228 said:
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Superstar said:
How come no one is talking about Milton Bradley? He is having a great offensive year, and is starting to take command in the outfield, did you guys see his catch yesterday against Dunn it was amazing, I would say Milton Bradley is the best up and coming CF, probably Jones ATL overall, Hunter Best defensive, and Edmunds(sp) Best Offensive............. Also Bradley last night broke his streak of 31 staright games of getting on base, and he also had another streak of 30 straight games of getting on base earlier this year.

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I like Milton Bradley, but he's had one great half of one season while the rest of the guys we're debating have been doing it for several seasons now. If we're having this debate next year at this time and Bradley is still putting up the numbers I'll consider him.

As for up-and-coming, the guy is 26, he isn't some kid just up from the minors. He's been bumping around for 3 seasons now.

Beltran and Vernon Wells are the guys. Hunter's offensive weaknesses have been exposed and Edmonds, the streaky hitter that he is, will cool down or get hurt, maybe both... and he makes all those great catches because he has too, his range can't compare with the other guys.

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Yes it can.Edmonds' range is as good as anyone right now.

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Come on, he's 34 years old (last friday), a white boy, AND has a history of injury. I don't think that's biologically plausible.

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33,he's an exception

,yes it is.

Here is a stat that PROVES his range is better.

Jim Edmonds has a better Zone rating than Andruw Jones.

Jim's is at 913 and Jones is at 825,worst among starting CF's.

ZR is The percentage of balls fielded by a player in his typical defensive "zone. Range factor is another stat that shows who has better range and Edmonds' is better than Jones'.

I know i'm using alot of stats but it's the best way to prove my point.

**fugazi** · 06-30-2003, 04:22 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

**fugazi** · 06-30-2003, 04:22 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

**fugazi** · 06-30-2003, 04:22 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

**dce1228** · 06-30-2003, 04:23 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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3rdAnswer said:
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dieselboy said:
Edmonds has an OPS of 1.098 this season.

The next closes for a CF is Vernon Wells, with .919.

Edmonds is currently the best in the game.

Most underrated CF is Beltran. He is in the 2nd tier of defensive CFs, and his numbers don't lie. He is good for about 25 HRs, 90-100 RBIs, an OPS of the upper .800s, and he steals about 30 bags a year.

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You're right about Beltran. He gets slept on an awful lot.

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After this season, once he leaves KC, everyone will be listing him in their top three and pretending they knew about him all along.

**dce1228** · 06-30-2003, 04:23 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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3rdAnswer said:
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dieselboy said:
Edmonds has an OPS of 1.098 this season.

The next closes for a CF is Vernon Wells, with .919.

Edmonds is currently the best in the game.

Most underrated CF is Beltran. He is in the 2nd tier of defensive CFs, and his numbers don't lie. He is good for about 25 HRs, 90-100 RBIs, an OPS of the upper .800s, and he steals about 30 bags a year.

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You're right about Beltran. He gets slept on an awful lot.

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After this season, once he leaves KC, everyone will be listing him in their top three and pretending they knew about him all along.

**dce1228** · 06-30-2003, 04:23 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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3rdAnswer said:
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dieselboy said:
Edmonds has an OPS of 1.098 this season.

The next closes for a CF is Vernon Wells, with .919.

Edmonds is currently the best in the game.

Most underrated CF is Beltran. He is in the 2nd tier of defensive CFs, and his numbers don't lie. He is good for about 25 HRs, 90-100 RBIs, an OPS of the upper .800s, and he steals about 30 bags a year.

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You're right about Beltran. He gets slept on an awful lot.

<hr /></blockquote>

After this season, once he leaves KC, everyone will be listing him in their top three and pretending they knew about him all along.

**dce1228** · 06-30-2003, 04:29 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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fugazi said:
i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

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That's just it, dude. Andruw DOESN'T steal bases anymore. I made the point earlier, and the stat about his range rating being the worst proves my point that he's lost a step or two.

**dce1228** · 06-30-2003, 04:29 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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fugazi said:
i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

<hr /></blockquote>

That's just it, dude. Andruw DOESN'T steal bases anymore. I made the point earlier, and the stat about his range rating being the worst proves my point that he's lost a step or two.

**dce1228** · 06-30-2003, 04:29 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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fugazi said:
i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

<hr /></blockquote>

That's just it, dude. Andruw DOESN'T steal bases anymore. I made the point earlier, and the stat about his range rating being the worst proves my point that he's lost a step or two.

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 04:33 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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fugazi said:
i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

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Lay off the CAPS please!

**Vince** · 06-30-2003, 04:33 PM

Re: whos the best CF in the majors???

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fugazi said:
i hear EDMONDS a lot, and JONES. Here's my take.
it has to be BELTRAN or JONES b/c they put up nunmbers in every category. Edmonds won't steal the bases that beltran and jones will. So what if he plays good D, so do Beltrtan and Jones. They both hit for power as well as edmonds does, and for average too.
No other two CFs compare, simnply b/c these two put up in every area of teh game.
WELLS is good, and PATTERSON will be better, and EDMONDS is solid, BUT.......THERE IS NO REASON TO TALK ABOUT "TOTAL PACKAGE" AND "BEST OFFENSIVE" AND "BEST DEFENSIVE".
Total Package answers the question. "Edmonds is best defensive" SO? That makes him thrid best.
THE QUESTION ASKED FOR "BEST"
BELTrAN OR JONES

<hr /></blockquote>

Lay off the CAPS please!

whos the best CF in the majors???

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