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  • CBoller1331
    It Appears I Blue Myself
    • Dec 2013
    • 3082

    #2056
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    Originally posted by Caulfield
    here's a Hall of Fame: Yea or Nay. Andre Dawson and Tony Perez, will they attend Jeter's induction?
    I thought I read somewhere that Dawson was going to....but I could be wrong. Don't know anything about his relationship with Tony Perez, but I'm assuming it's a similar situtation to Dawson??
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    • Caulfield
      Hall Of Fame
      • Apr 2011
      • 10986

      #2057
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by CBoller1331
      I thought I read somewhere that Dawson was going to....but I could be wrong. Don't know anything about his relationship with Tony Perez, but I'm assuming it's a similar situtation to Dawson??
      it's my understanding Perez & Dawson were less than thrilled being told by Jeter their services for the Marlins were no longer wanted.
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      • l3ulvl
        Hall Of Fame
        • Dec 2009
        • 17255

        #2058
        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

        Originally posted by Caulfield
        it's my understanding Perez & Dawson were less than thrilled being told by Jeter their services for the Marlins were no longer wanted.
        exactly, he did them a favor
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        • Majingir
          Moderator
          • Apr 2005
          • 47664

          #2059
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          No surprise, they're delaying the 2020 inductions until 2021.

          Walker waited a decade, I'm sure he can wait 1 more year.

          Looking at that 2021 ballot, we might not even have anyone voted in anyways.

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          • Majingir
            Moderator
            • Apr 2005
            • 47664

            #2060
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            It's that time of the year again.

            Like I said in April, who knows if anyone even gets inducted.

            The entire 2021 HOF ceremony could just feature the 2020 class and that's it, and I'm sure people would be fine with that.

            Given how few good options there are for 2021, that'll either really help or really hurt chances for guys like Clemens,Bonds,Schilling. Voters know that one or more of those guys will be the only 2021 inductees should anyone from that ballot get in.

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            • Caulfield
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2011
              • 10986

              #2061
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

              I'm a Bama guy first and foremost but I'm also a huge Tim Hudson fan. I'll be praying for a miracle that he garners enough votes to at least carry-over to next year
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              • dubcity
                Hall Of Fame
                • May 2012
                • 17874

                #2062
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                Originally posted by Caulfield
                I'm a Bama guy first and foremost but I'm also a huge Tim Hudson fan. I'll be praying for a miracle that he garners enough votes to at least carry-over to next year
                He better get more votes than Zito, or I riot.

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                • Sportsforever
                  NL MVP
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 20368

                  #2063
                  Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens need to be in; would love to see Sheffield and Manny get in and Andruw Jones continue to make progress. Still pissed they didn't put Fred McGriff in; maybe he gets in down the road.
                  "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                  • Speedy
                    #Ace
                    • Apr 2008
                    • 16143

                    #2064
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    Andruw deserves to be in hands down.

                    Biase aside, I cant see an argument for no. His 1997-2006 is just incredible. 64.2 fWAR is easily HOF worthy.

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                    Originally posted by Gibson88
                    Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                    It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                    • Sportsforever
                      NL MVP
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 20368

                      #2065
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      Originally posted by Speedy
                      Andruw deserves to be in hands down.

                      Biase aside, I cant see an argument for no. His 1997-2006 is just incredible. 64.2 fWAR is easily HOF worthy.

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                      I agree; that said, a lot of the arguments against his enshrinement have been because so much of his value came from his glove and he didn't hit "well enough" for a CF. A lot of people don't put stock into the metrics that show he was so good defensively; take that away and his WAR is a LOT lower.
                      "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                      • Madden08PCgmr
                        MVP
                        • Feb 2017
                        • 2441

                        #2066
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        Originally posted by Sportsforever
                        Schilling, Bonds, and Clemens need to be in; would love to see Sheffield and Manny get in and Andruw Jones continue to make progress. Still pissed they didn't put Fred McGriff in; maybe he gets in down the road.
                        If the Veterans Committee put Harold Baines in, I'd say the Crime Dog is a lock at some point.

                        Personally, I hope Bonds doesn't make it. But changes have to happen if voters don't elect him. All of baseball was complicit in the steroid era. There was no end in sight, until Congress stepped in. So what are the voters protecting here? The damage is done. It was an unfortunate time that hopefully is behind them. Freezing out Titans of an era is only going to compound this mistake.
                        You want free speech?
                        Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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                        • Sportsforever
                          NL MVP
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 20368

                          #2067
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          Originally posted by Madden08PCgmr
                          If the Veterans Committee put Harold Baines in, I'd say the Crime Dog is a lock at some point.

                          Personally, I hope Bonds doesn't make it. But changes have to happen if voters don't elect him. All of baseball was complicit in the steroid era. There was no end in sight, until Congress stepped in. So what are the voters protecting here? The damage is done. It was an unfortunate time that hopefully is behind them. Freezing out Titans of an era is only going to compound this mistake.
                          If Tony "DUI" LaRussa and Bud "Shrug" Selig are in the HOF, the players absolutely should be in.
                          "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                          • Caulfield
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Apr 2011
                            • 10986

                            #2068
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            Originally posted by Sportsforever
                            If Tony "DUI" LaRussa and Bud "Shrug" Selig are in the HOF, the players absolutely should be in.
                            AFAIC the only commissioner that even belongs in the Hall is Happy Chandler, Selig was the worst commissioner of all major pro American sports in my lifetime, and wasn't even a ''real'' commissioner to begin with imo.

                            while I'm not a fan of Manferd by any means, I still prefer him to Selig, barely. any commissioner that lets a strike happen on their watch deserves to be automatically fired. as much as it pains me to say it, Pete Rozelle hung around in the NFL 10 years longer than he should have. and he's my favorite commissioner of all-time. Selig grinds my gears like no other pro sports executive ever. I'll let off him when he's no longer around to defend himself
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                            • Speedy
                              #Ace
                              • Apr 2008
                              • 16143

                              #2069
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              Originally posted by Sportsforever
                              I agree; that said, a lot of the arguments against his enshrinement have been because so much of his value came from his glove and he didn't hit "well enough" for a CF. A lot of people don't put stock into the metrics that show he was so good defensively; take that away and his WAR is a LOT lower.
                              Idk. Ozzie's bat was meager even for a SS.

                              Sent from my SM-G950U using Operation Sports mobile app
                              Originally posted by Gibson88
                              Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                              It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                              • Madden08PCgmr
                                MVP
                                • Feb 2017
                                • 2441

                                #2070
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                Originally posted by Caulfield
                                AFAIC the only commissioner that even belongs in the Hall is Happy Chandler, Selig was the worst commissioner of all major pro American sports in my lifetime, and wasn't even a ''real'' commissioner to begin with imo.

                                while I'm not a fan of Manferd by any means, I still prefer him to Selig, barely. any commissioner that lets a strike happen on their watch deserves to be automatically fired. as much as it pains me to say it, Pete Rozelle hung around in the NFL 10 years longer than he should have. and he's my favorite commissioner of all-time. Selig grinds my gears like no other pro sports executive ever. I'll let off him when he's no longer around to defend himself
                                Selig will never live the 1994 Series down. Nor should he.

                                I think his successes were accidental. Expanding the Playoffs and inter-League play were decades overdue.

                                .. I'll take him over Manfred though. Selig may have fallen into a gold mine, but at least it was a gold mine. Manfreds can't stop stepping on landmines. Pitch clocks? 3-batter rule? Free trips to 2B? I'll listen to debate on the universal DH rule, but GTHO with the rest of that!

                                ... the end of Sterns run is pretty high in terms of awful Commissioning.

                                Leaving Seattle was an absolute disaster. Loved listening to Clay Bennett p!ss and moan about his financials, due to being frozen out of the NBA Playoff this year. Wouldn't have had that problem up here, post-season or not. Leaving Vancouver wasn't much better for the NBA. And much like Selig, Stern fell back @$swards into his biggest windfall, the greatest phenomenon in sports history, while not having to do a thing to promote him, thanks to Phil Knight and Nike.
                                Last edited by Madden08PCgmr; 11-20-2020, 11:35 PM.
                                You want free speech?
                                Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.

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