Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[DamnYanks2]

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Konerko won't get in. Neither will Billy Wagner. Thome is a probably and Pudge a big maybe given how the voters are treating the "suspected PED users" crowd.



It doesn't make sense. Delgado's numbers stack up. The only thing I can think of that kept him under 5% was people thinking he was anti-American and wouldn't salute the flag. Also, the era he played in make his stats looked smaller by comparison. He's a tough call for me, but he deserved to stay on the ballot at least.

Yea, I think the only absolutes on that list are Hoffman, Griffey (obviously), if they make Vlad wait, which sadly won't surprise me, I'm going to Cooperstown and burning it down.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't pudge named somewhere on the list of steroid users, so that's not good for him obviously.

[Sportsforever]

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I have no issue with Biggio getting in, but it does make Lou Whitaker's one-and-done from the ballot a little tougher to swallow.

Also, I'm absolutely stunned that Smoltz got in on his first year of eligibility and got nearly as many votes as Pedro did. Pedro pitched circles around him and it wasn't even close. Schilling didn't even receive half the votes that Smoltz did and that's ridiculous. Schilling was also clearly better at pretty much every aspect of pitching. It's not that I hate Smoltz or even deny that he was a really good pitcher or anything, I just don't think he should have gotten in on his first ballot when there are guys clearly better than him on the outside looking in.

Still, without Bonds and Clemens the whole thing is just a sham anyway.

Just one more thing here...finally looked at the vote totals and Pedro got 10% more of the voting than Smoltz, iow, not really close.

[55]

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Just one more thing here...finally looked at the vote totals and Pedro got 10% more of the voting than Smoltz, iow, not really close.

It's cool. I'm not going to argue/debate it any further. All I'm saying is that Smoltz was by far the weak link when it came to the three pitchers that got in this year.

[Sportsforever]

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It's cool. I'm not going to argue/debate it any further. All I'm saying is that Smoltz was by far the weak link when it came to the three pitchers that got in this year.

I 100% agree…Pedro might be the GREATEST ever and Johnson is close behind him, but I fully expected Smoltz to get in and it wasn't a shock to me that he did. I expect that both Mussina and Schilling will get in in the next few years.

[lhslancers]

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I 100% agree…Pedro might be the GREATEST ever and Johnson is close behind him, but I fully expected Smoltz to get in and it wasn't a shock to me that he did. I expect that both Mussina and Schilling will get in in the next few years.

That 7 year period for Pedro might be more impressive than anything Koufax did.
I thought Johnson was great and thought he got a raw deal with the Yankee fans. Imagine winning 17 games 2 years in a row and getting booed?
Smoltz is a notch or two below these guys.

Biggio over Tim Raines?

[Sgt_Carnage]

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Griffey is on next years ballot...........man I suddenly feel old.

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This HOF press conference is excellent. Pedro just kills me.

[Sportsforever]

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Well, at least this voter is objective....

Why I didn't vote for Hall of Famer Pedro Martinez: Paul Hoynes
[Posted by Paul Hoynes, Northeast Ohio Media Group January 06, 2015, 10:35 PM]
CLEVELAND, Ohio – It's confession time.
I didn't vote for this year's Hall of Fame class that will be enshrined in Cooperstown in July 26. It's the first time I've missed since I became eligible to vote in 1994.
It wasn't a protest over steroid era players or a desire to see the ballot go from 10 to 12 votes per writer. No, it was a screw up on my part. People who know me are really going to be surprised over that one.

Somehow, someway the ballot never got from my mailbox to my eager fingers. Between the curb and my desk, the ballot took a powder. By the time I realized it was really lost, there wasn't time to get a new one.Deep down, however, I think there was some Freudian thing at work.
Well before the ballots were released, I was wrestling with the idea of voting for Pedro Martinez. As great a pitcher as he was, I thought he was punk on the mound.
I saw him throw at Tribe catcher Einar Diaz during a game at Progressive Field and hide behind hitting coach Jim Rice in the dugout when the benches cleared. Then he ran up the dugout runway.

In Game 3 of the 2003 ALCS between the Yankees and Red Sox, Martinez threw behind Karim Garcia's head and hit him high in the back in the fourth inning. The players yelled at each other with Garcia eventually gaining revenge on a hard, spikes-up slide at second base.
In the bottom of the inning, Roger Clemens of the Yankees retaliated by throwing a pitch high in the strike zone to Manny Ramirez. The pitch wasn't as menacing as Martinez's, but Ramirez screamed at Clemens and the teams sprinted onto the field.
The late Don Zimmer, New York's bench coach, came out of the dugout and charged Martinez, standing a good distance from the melee. Martinez yanked Zimmer, 72 at the time, to the ground.

The next day a tearful Zimmer apologized for his actions. Martinez should have been the one apologizing because he lit the fuse on a game that bordered on a riot.

Since we're having a come to Jesus moment here, I have to say those weren't the only reasons Martinez irritated me. He quite simply dominated the Indians. He was
11-1 with a 1.77 ERA in 16 games against some of the best lineups the Indians have ever fielded.
And that was just the regular season.

In Game 5 of the ALDS in 1999, Martinez relieved with the score tied, 8-8, and pitched six innings without allowing a run or hit. The Red Sox won, 12-8, to win the series after the Indians won the first two games.

I remember watching him shadow boxing in the bullpen before he started throwing his warm up pitches. Joe Frazier's left hook couldn't have saved the Indians that night.
Was Martinez a great pitcher, yes. Would I have voted for him if I had taken proper care of my ballot, yes. Here's why.

In 2009, 10 years after Martinez eliminated the Indians in that postseason game, he was on his last legs. It was spring training and teams were trying to coax him into pitching one more year. I asked Mark Shapiro, Indians general manager at the time, if he was interested in signing Martinez.
Shapiro said that if he could sign Martinez to a one-year deal, he'd do it in a heartbeat. Now, Shapiro watched Martinez beat the Indians year after year just like I did. He'd seen Martinez's whole act.

But when he looked at him, he saw talent. I saw a punk.
Emotion had gotten in my way. It's hard to see clearly like that.

[ImTellinTim]

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Some of these writers take themselves way too seriously.

[OSUFan_88]

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Hoynes deserves to be mocked for that ridiculous article.

Like, one of the reasons he considered NOT voting for Pedro was because he dominated the Indians. That's...insanity.

But the reason he would have voted for him was because a GM said at the end of his career he would sign him or something stupid like that.

[ImTellinTim]

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Hoynes deserves to be mocked for that ridiculous article.

Like, one of the reasons he considered NOT voting for Pedro was because he dominated the Indians. That's...insanity.

But the reason he would have voted for him was because a GM said at the end of his career he would sign him or something stupid like that.

I'd prefer it if he just kept his asinine inner monologues to himself.

Actually, the worst part about it is he LOST HIS BALLOT. Then wasn't responsible enough to get a replacement. These are the people we're allowing to vote on the HOF.

[SPTO]

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Hoynes deserves to be mocked for that ridiculous article.

Like, one of the reasons he considered NOT voting for Pedro was because he dominated the Indians. That's...insanity.

That makes no sense to me, you'd think it'd be the opposite since you're a beat writer for the Indians and you see a great pitcher absolutely dominate "your" team for years wouldn't you come away MORE impressed rather than feeling scorned?

Such petty people submitting ballots

[DrJones]

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Some of these writers take themselves way to seriously.

If only they took their job seriously as well.

[redsox4evur]

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Yea, I think the only absolutes on that list are Hoffman, Griffey (obviously), if they make Vlad wait, which sadly won't surprise me, I'm going to Cooperstown and burning it down.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't pudge named somewhere on the list of steroid users, so that's not good for him obviously.

Same thing has been said about Bagwell but he is gaining ground and maybe inducted within the next 2 years. And I think Piazza may have been mentioned too.

[ThreeKing]

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Yep, this is the season for baseball writers and voters to put themselves on this imaginary pedestal.

To those who said NOBODY will ever receive 100% of the vote, I guess you're correct. It's because these guys are insecure douchebags.