Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

[redsox4evur]

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Yep, this is the season for baseball writers and voters to put themselves on this imaginary pedestal.

To those who said NOBODY will ever receive 100% of the vote, I guess you're correct. It's because these guys are insecure douchebags.

Yep. Why can't guys who used steroids ie probably 75% of the players during the Steroid Era be inducted? I mean Pedro's trainer, Angel Presinal has since been banned from the MLB for steroids. I'm not saying he used but there could be questions about whether he did or not. And he got in on his FIRST ballot while you have guys like Bagwell who have questions and haven't got in at least 5 years.

[55]

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Basically: "This guy knocked my favorite team out of the playoffs over 15 years ago and I'm still not over it."

What a self-important piece of trash Hoynes is.

[RoyalBoyle78]

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Where does Piazza fall this year? I'm really curious to see how close he gets…amazing to me that the greatest hitting catcher of all time, without any ties to PED's, can't get more support.

That's what I said, I'm a huge mets fan and piazza was my favorite , is bs if you ask me


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[Ghost Of The Year]

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A glimpse into the reasoning of omitting Piazza

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/bill-madden-not-vote-mike-piazza-article-1.2067912

[DamnYanks2]

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Well, at least this voter is objective....

Why I didn't vote for Hall of Famer Pedro Martinez: Paul Hoynes
[Posted by Paul Hoynes, Northeast Ohio Media Group January 06, 2015, 10:35 PM]
CLEVELAND, Ohio – It's confession time.
I didn't vote for this year's Hall of Fame class that will be enshrined in Cooperstown in July 26. It's the first time I've missed since I became eligible to vote in 1994.
It wasn't a protest over steroid era players or a desire to see the ballot go from 10 to 12 votes per writer. No, it was a screw up on my part. People who know me are really going to be surprised over that one.

Somehow, someway the ballot never got from my mailbox to my eager fingers. Between the curb and my desk, the ballot took a powder. By the time I realized it was really lost, there wasn't time to get a new one.Deep down, however, I think there was some Freudian thing at work.
Well before the ballots were released, I was wrestling with the idea of voting for Pedro Martinez. As great a pitcher as he was, I thought he was punk on the mound.
I saw him throw at Tribe catcher Einar Diaz during a game at Progressive Field and hide behind hitting coach Jim Rice in the dugout when the benches cleared. Then he ran up the dugout runway.

In Game 3 of the 2003 ALCS between the Yankees and Red Sox, Martinez threw behind Karim Garcia's head and hit him high in the back in the fourth inning. The players yelled at each other with Garcia eventually gaining revenge on a hard, spikes-up slide at second base.
In the bottom of the inning, Roger Clemens of the Yankees retaliated by throwing a pitch high in the strike zone to Manny Ramirez. The pitch wasn't as menacing as Martinez's, but Ramirez screamed at Clemens and the teams sprinted onto the field.
The late Don Zimmer, New York's bench coach, came out of the dugout and charged Martinez, standing a good distance from the melee. Martinez yanked Zimmer, 72 at the time, to the ground.

The next day a tearful Zimmer apologized for his actions. Martinez should have been the one apologizing because he lit the fuse on a game that bordered on a riot.

Since we're having a come to Jesus moment here, I have to say those weren't the only reasons Martinez irritated me. He quite simply dominated the Indians. He was
11-1 with a 1.77 ERA in 16 games against some of the best lineups the Indians have ever fielded.
And that was just the regular season.

In Game 5 of the ALDS in 1999, Martinez relieved with the score tied, 8-8, and pitched six innings without allowing a run or hit. The Red Sox won, 12-8, to win the series after the Indians won the first two games.

I remember watching him shadow boxing in the bullpen before he started throwing his warm up pitches. Joe Frazier's left hook couldn't have saved the Indians that night.
Was Martinez a great pitcher, yes. Would I have voted for him if I had taken proper care of my ballot, yes. Here's why.

In 2009, 10 years after Martinez eliminated the Indians in that postseason game, he was on his last legs. It was spring training and teams were trying to coax him into pitching one more year. I asked Mark Shapiro, Indians general manager at the time, if he was interested in signing Martinez.
Shapiro said that if he could sign Martinez to a one-year deal, he'd do it in a heartbeat. Now, Shapiro watched Martinez beat the Indians year after year just like I did. He'd seen Martinez's whole act.

But when he looked at him, he saw talent. I saw a punk.
Emotion had gotten in my way. It's hard to see clearly like that.

True confessions of a self absorbed loser, so his reasoning for not voting in Pedro was because he was a selfish, butthurt fan? And this guy can vote, and lol he can't ask for another ballot. This is what these players are up against, at least he was honest... Some things are better left unsaid.

[ImTellinTim]

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He did say he would have voted for him. The real reason he didn't vote for him is because he lost his ballot. So he didn't vote for anyone.

[DamnYanks2]

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A glimpse into the reasoning of omitting Piazza
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/ba...icle-1.2067912

You can't let he said she said garbage get in the way, as far as I'm concerned, they are just rumors. Sure Canseco's laughable rumors at the time, ended up being true. But most of the time, they hold no weight. Pretty ridiculous reasoning.

[DamnYanks2]

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He did say he would have voted for him. The real reason he didn't vote for him is because he lost his ballot. So he didn't vote for anyone.

He shouldn't be allowed to vote for anyone. Anything he writes should be taken with a grain of salt, and nothing more. These guys hold the keys for special players to get into something, that only an elect few get the opportunity to be apart of. Baseball immortality.

And all it takes is a selfish loser to check yes or no, keep in mind, guys that never even played the game can vote these guys in? There's something extremely wrong here.

In a hypothetical world if Bonds never doped, and his performance ended up being clean, writers still wouldn't have voted for him, because they hated him. I like him even more now, he treated the media just how they deserved to be treated. They all deserve the Marshawn Lynch treatment, bunch of clowns.

[Majingir]

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Vlad said that if he goes into the HOF, he'd go in as a Montreal Expo.

Do people see him getting into the HOF once he's eligible?

[SPTO]

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Vlad said that if he goes into the HOF, he'd go in as a Montreal Expo.

Do people see him getting into the HOF once he's eligible?

Ehhh Looking at his numbers i'd say borderline.

[DamnYanks2]

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Ehhh Looking at his numbers i'd say borderline.

Really? I would definitely consider him a lock, and he better be.

[DrJones]

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Vlad said that if he goes into the HOF, he'd go in as a Montreal Expo.

Do people see him getting into the HOF once he's eligible?

Might take a few tries, but yes, I think Vlad gets in.

[55]

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Man, I loved watching Vlad play. One of my all-time favorites.

.318/.379/.553 over 9k+ PA and 60+ WAR? Come on in.

Plus, that arm. My goodness. Sure, his overall fielding ability was mediocre at best, but that arm.

It was the summer of 2004 and the Indians second baseman, Ronnie Belliard, was fresh off an All-Star game appearance and was leading the league in doubles and the Angels were in town. There I sat in the box seats, three rows from third base on a perfect day for baseball. 80ish degrees and not a cloud in the sky.

Belliard steps into the box, in the midst of having the greatest season of his career. He gets ahead in the count and sits on the fastball. Crack! He pushes one down the right field line and into the corner and is off to the races on what would be a routine, standup double for just about anybody. He's already around first and has his head down towards second as he turns the corner. He was thinking about standing on second base before he even dropped the bat, I tell you. As he made the turn towards second without slowing down, the ball had reached its furthest possible point away from second base: it was directly in the corner of the right field fence.

All of a sudden, a small, white object started to head in my general direction at a rate of speed that I cannot even begin to calculate. This object found its way into the glove of the second baseman before you could blink an eye. It was only then that I realized that it was a baseball. Belliard saw it arrive while he was still a good 4-5 steps away from his destination and appeared to slow down. Whatever glimmer of hope he had quickly turned to frustration as he began to visibly shake his head and simply walked the last two paces into the tag that was waiting for him. At this point you could even detect a slight grin on his face. As soon as he was tagged out, he turned and started towards his dugout. About a third of the way there he glanced back for just a split second towards right field and tipped his batting helmet ever so slightly in that direction towards the man still standing all the way up against the wall in the corner. The man gave a slight head nod back towards Belliard and the defeated All-Star continued towards his dugout to go on with the rest of his life.

The man standing in right field that day wore number 27 and his name was Vladimir Guerrero.

[SPTO]

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Might take a few tries, but yes, I think Vlad gets in.

That's what I meant by borderline. He belongs IMO but it's going to take a while. It might be a case where the fans and the younger writers have to drill it into the old fogies' brains that this guy is a HOF guy.

[yankeesgiants]

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Vlad said that if he goes into the HOF, he'd go in as a Montreal Expo.

I dont think players get to pick the team hat on the plaque any longer?