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  • AC
    Win the East
    • Sep 2010
    • 14951

    #1036
    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

    Originally posted by redsox4evur
    Yea and it doesn't seem to be stopping soon either. With Harper, Bryant and Gallo.
    You have Gallo in there but not Trout? That's.. confusing
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    • 55
      Banned
      • Mar 2006
      • 20857

      #1037
      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

      Originally posted by AC
      You have Gallo in there but not Trout? That's.. confusing
      I look at Joey Gallo and all I see is Dave Kingman.

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      • redsox4evur
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2013
        • 18169

        #1038
        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

        Originally posted by AC
        You have Gallo in there but not Trout? That's.. confusing
        You realize Matrix already had trout on that list right? That's why I didn't list him.
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        • Speedy
          #Ace
          • Apr 2008
          • 16143

          #1039
          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

          Originally posted by 55
          Unless you are 80 years old (or older) Bonds is the best baseball player you have seen in your life.
          Junior Griffey.

          I believe you can likely infer what my thoughts are towards Barry but I will concur he was an amazing talent...more so in PIT before SF.

          People really forget how tremendous those early 90s PIT teams were with Leyland. I'd bet they'd beat down the entire league handily if the 92 team was playing now.
          Originally posted by Gibson88
          Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
          It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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          • 55
            Banned
            • Mar 2006
            • 20857

            #1040
            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

            Originally posted by Speedy
            Junior Griffey.
            Homers gonna home.

            Griffey:

            .284/.370/.538 - 11304 PA, 630 HR, 1836 RBI, 1662 R, 2781 H, 524 2B, 38 3B, 184 SB, .907 OPS, 136 OPS+

            83.9 WAR, .385 wOBA
            , -39.1 FLD (yes that is negative)

            Bonds:

            .298/.444/.607 - 12606 PA, 762 HR, 1996 RBI, 2227 R, 2935 H, 601 2B, 77 3B, 514 SB, 1.051 OPS, 182 OPS+

            168.2 WAR, .439 wOBA, 188.3 FLD

            As you can see, Bonds was literally better at EVERYTHING than Griffey was and for a longer period of time. You cannot make a compelling argument otherwise without playing the "PED" card.

            And this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Bonds at all.

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            • Speedy
              #Ace
              • Apr 2008
              • 16143

              #1041
              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

              Originally posted by 55
              You cannot make a compelling argument otherwise without playing the "PED" card.
              I cannot think of Barry without also thinking of steroids.
              Originally posted by Gibson88
              Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
              It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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              • Majingir
                Moderator
                • Apr 2005
                • 47649

                #1042
                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                Do people think Cito Gaston should go in the HOF as a manager? I mean of the 23 managers who've won 2 or more WS in their careers,15 are in the HOF. Bochy will prob go in too so it'd end up being 16/23 ended up in the HOF.

                Of the 12 managers who've won back to back world series(only 5 of which have won back to back WS with more than 16 teams in the league),9 are in the HOF.

                And also cause of him being the first african american manager to win a WS.
                Last edited by Majingir; 06-12-2015, 01:47 PM.

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                • TripleCrown9
                  Keep the Faith
                  • May 2010
                  • 23705

                  #1043
                  Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                  Originally posted by Speedy
                  I cannot think of Barry without also thinking of steroids.
                  Which is completely unfair. Let's look at before 2001, or 2000, whichever you believe.

                  8x All-Star
                  3x MVP
                  8x Gold Glove
                  7x Silver Slugger
                  1993 Home Run and RBI Champion
                  1996 Home Run Derby winner

                  And just for ****s and giggles, here's all of his accomplishments (including the steroid years).

                  Spoiler


                  Basically, it's completely ridiculous and mindblowing that Bonds isn't in.
                  Last edited by TripleCrown9; 06-12-2015, 02:13 PM.
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                  • 55
                    Banned
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 20857

                    #1044
                    Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                    Originally posted by Speedy
                    I cannot think of Barry without also thinking of steroids.
                    That's like saying someone cannot think of Griffey without also thinking of injuries and someone too lazy to lift weights.

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #1045
                      Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                      I'm of the opinion that Bonds, McGwire and Clemens aren't going to make the HOF, at least not in the BBWAA voting. I can see at least one of them being put in through the veterans committee so that's like 30+ years from now or something LOL

                      The thing with Bonds and Clemens that is so frustrating is that both of those guys DIDN'T need to be fooling around with that crap especially Bonds who was still a prime time player before being on the juice. Clemens I can kinda understand a little as there were whispers around the time he came to Toronto that he was losing "it" but he was still a very good pitcher. The PEDs probably added length to his career.

                      McGwire is a guy who will never get in mainly due to the fact that his numbers aren't the greatest when you put aside the power numbers and there's legit question about whether he was clean at all in his career.
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                      • Chip Douglass
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Dec 2005
                        • 12256

                        #1046
                        Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                        Bonds had something like a 15 WAR advantage over Griffey in the 90s. So, using the most favorable statistical comparison for Griffey by leaving out four of the greatest seasons in the history of game (Bonds from 2001-04), a couple of a very good Bonds' seasons in the 80s, and Griffey's terrible 2000s, Griffey still comes up well short of Bonds.

                        It's the reason why Bill James throughout the 90s made a point of calling Bonds a GOAT. If it weren't for his PED use and subsequent Babe Ruth-like offensive explosion, I think Bonds would have gone down as a Stan Musial-like under-appreciated superstar instead of the villain that he is today. This is still an inner-circle HOFer well before PED use.
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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #1047
                          Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                          Originally posted by Chip Douglass

                          It's the reason why Bill James throughout the 90s made a point of calling Bonds a GOAT. If it weren't for his PED use and subsequent Babe Ruth-like offensive explosion, I think Bonds would have gone down as a Stan Musial-like under-appreciated superstar instead of the villain that he is today. .
                          Eh, I think a lot of it is self-inflicted even if you take out the PED stuff. You gotta remember, Bonds was just VICIOUS with the media. Yeah, there'd be times when he got along but it would have to be under the right circumstances. (like highly controlled 1-on-1 interviews etc etc) Even without the PED use I think there'd be a sizable contingent that would deny him 1st ballot entry based on how horrible of a person he could be. There'd still be people that thinks he's a complete A-Hole.

                          That being said, Bonds has handled his post baseball career like a champ. He's been under the radar and done some good things away from the game like his ownership of a female cycling team and the baseball training stuff he does with kids in the bay area. He's kept very quiet about it all unlike Clemens, yet he hasn't done a (weak) mea culpa like McGwire so it's not perfect but I think Bonds has done a lot to clean up his image that way.
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                          • Chip Douglass
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Dec 2005
                            • 12256

                            #1048
                            Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                            Originally posted by SPTO
                            I'm of the opinion that Bonds, McGwire and Clemens aren't going to make the HOF, at least not in the BBWAA voting. I can see at least one of them being put in through the veterans committee so that's like 30+ years from now or something LOL.
                            The HOF shortening the length of time on the ballot from 15 to 10 years is a pretty transparent way of ensuring that Bonds, Clemens, and the rest will never get voted in.
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                            • SPTO
                              binging
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 68046

                              #1049
                              Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                              Originally posted by Chip Douglass
                              The HOF shortening the length of time on the ballot from 15 to 10 years is a pretty transparent way of ensuring that Bonds, Clemens, and the rest will never get voted in.
                              That's not the only reason though, another reason for the shortening of eligibility is to shed a ton of the backlog that's bound to happen in the next few years with sure fire HOFers coming up.
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                              • redsox4evur
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jul 2013
                                • 18169

                                #1050
                                Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?

                                Originally posted by SPTO
                                That's not the only reason though, another reason for the shortening of eligibility is to shed a ton of the backlog that's bound to happen in the next few years with sure fire HOFers coming up.
                                Also aren't they grandfathered into it because they have been ballot before the new rule was passed?
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