Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?
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Re: Hall Of Fame: Yes Or No?
I believe you can likely infer what my thoughts are towards Barry but I will concur he was an amazing talent...more so in PIT before SF.
People really forget how tremendous those early 90s PIT teams were with Leyland. I'd bet they'd beat down the entire league handily if the 92 team was playing now.Originally posted by Gibson88Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.Comment
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Homers gonna home.
Griffey:
.284/.370/.538 - 11304 PA, 630 HR, 1836 RBI, 1662 R, 2781 H, 524 2B, 38 3B, 184 SB, .907 OPS, 136 OPS+
83.9 WAR, .385 wOBA, -39.1 FLD (yes that is negative)
Bonds:
.298/.444/.607 - 12606 PA, 762 HR, 1996 RBI, 2227 R, 2935 H, 601 2B, 77 3B, 514 SB, 1.051 OPS, 182 OPS+
168.2 WAR, .439 wOBA, 188.3 FLD
As you can see, Bonds was literally better at EVERYTHING than Griffey was and for a longer period of time. You cannot make a compelling argument otherwise without playing the "PED" card.
And this is coming from a guy who doesn't like Bonds at all.Comment
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Originally posted by Gibson88Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.Comment
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Do people think Cito Gaston should go in the HOF as a manager? I mean of the 23 managers who've won 2 or more WS in their careers,15 are in the HOF. Bochy will prob go in too so it'd end up being 16/23 ended up in the HOF.
Of the 12 managers who've won back to back world series(only 5 of which have won back to back WS with more than 16 teams in the league),9 are in the HOF.
And also cause of him being the first african american manager to win a WS.Last edited by Majingir; 06-12-2015, 01:47 PM.Comment
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Which is completely unfair. Let's look at before 2001, or 2000, whichever you believe.
8x All-Star
3x MVP
8x Gold Glove
7x Silver Slugger
1993 Home Run and RBI Champion
1996 Home Run Derby winner
And just for ****s and giggles, here's all of his accomplishments (including the steroid years).
SpoilerBesides holding Major League career records in home runs (762), walks (2,558), and intentional walks (688), at the time of his retirement, Bonds also led all active players in RBI (1,996), on-base percentage (.444), runs (2,227), games (2,986), extra-base hits (1,440), at-bats per home run (12.92), and total bases (5,976). He is 2nd in doubles (601), slugging percentage (.607), stolen bases (514), at-bats (9,847), and hits (2,935), 6th in triples (77), 8th in sacrifice flies (91), and 9th in strikeouts (1,539), through September 26, 2007.
Bonds is the lone member of the 500–500 club, which means he has hit at least 500 home runs (762) and stolen 500 bases (514). He is also one of only four baseball players all-time to be in the 40–40 club (1996), which means he hit 40 home runs (42) and stole 40 bases (40) in the same season; the other members are José Canseco, Alex Rodriguez and Alfonso Soriano.
Records held
Home runs in a single season (73), 2001
Home runs (career) (762)
Home runs against different pitchers (449)
Home runs since turning 40 years old (74)
Home runs in the year he turned 43 years old (28)
Consecutive seasons with 30 or more home runs (13), 1992–2004
Slugging percentage in a single season (.863), 2001
Slugging percentage in a World Series (1.294), 2002
Consecutive seasons with .600 slugging percentage or higher (8), 1998–2005
On-base percentage in a single season (.609), 2004
Walks in a single season (232), 2004
Intentional walks in a single season (120), 2004
Consecutive games with a walk (18)
MVP awards (7—closest competitors trail with 3), 1990, 1992–93, 2001–04
Consecutive MVP awards (4), 2001–04
National League Player of the Month selections (13—2nd place: 8 – Frank Thomas; 2nd place (N.L.) – George Foster, Pete Rose and Dale Murphy)
Oldest player (age 38) to win the National League batting title (.370) for the first time, 2002
Records shared
Consecutive plate appearances with a walk (7)
Consecutive plate appearances reaching base (15)
Tied with his father, Bobby, for most seasons with 30 home runs and 30 stolen bases (5) and are the only father-son members of the 30–30 club
Home runs in a single post-season (8), 2002
Other accomplishments
5-time SF Giants Player of the Year (1998, 2001–04)
7-time Baseball America NL All-Star (1993, 1998, 2000–04)
3-Time Major League Player of the Year (1990, 2001, 2004)
3-Time Baseball America MLB Player of the Year (2001, 2003–04)
8-Time Gold Glove winner for NL Outfielder (1990–94, 1996–98).
12-Time Silver Slugger winner for NL Outfielder (1990–94, 1996–97, 2000–04)
14-time All-Star (1990, 1992–98, 2000–04, 2007)
3-Time NL Hank Aaron Award winner (2001–02, 2004)
Babe Ruth Home Run Award (2001)
Listed at #6 on The Sporting News* ' list of the 100 Greatest Baseball Players, the highest-ranked active player, in 2005.
Named a finalist to the Major League Baseball All-Century Team in 1999, but not elected to the team in the fan balloting.
Rating of 352 on Baseball-Reference.com's Hall of Fame monitor (100 is a good HOF candidate); 9th among all hitters, highest among hitters not in HOF yet.
Only the second player to twice have a single-season slugging percentage over .800, with his record .863 in 2001 and .812 in 2004. Babe Ruth was the other, with .847 in 1920 and .846 in 1921.
Became the first player in history with more times on base (376) than official times at bats (373) in 2004. This was due to the record number of walks, which count as a time on base but not a time at-bat. He had 135 hits, 232 walks, and 9 hit-by-pitches for the 376 number.
With his father Bobby (332, 461), leads all father-son combinations in combined home runs (1,094) and stolen bases (975), respectively through September 26, 2007.
Played minor league baseball in both Alaska and Hawaii. In 1983, he played for the Alaska Goldpanners of Fairbanks in the Alaska Baseball League, and in 1986, he played for the Hawaii Islanders in the Pacific Coast League.
Featured on the cover of Sports Illustrated. He has appeared as the main subject on the cover eight times in total; seven with the Giants and once with the Pirates. He has also appeared in an inset on the cover twice. He was the most recent Pirate player to appear on the cover, until Jason Grilli was featured in SIs July 22, 2013 edition.
Basically, it's completely ridiculous and mindblowing that Bonds isn't in.Last edited by TripleCrown9; 06-12-2015, 02:13 PM.Boston Red Sox
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I'm of the opinion that Bonds, McGwire and Clemens aren't going to make the HOF, at least not in the BBWAA voting. I can see at least one of them being put in through the veterans committee so that's like 30+ years from now or something LOL
The thing with Bonds and Clemens that is so frustrating is that both of those guys DIDN'T need to be fooling around with that crap especially Bonds who was still a prime time player before being on the juice. Clemens I can kinda understand a little as there were whispers around the time he came to Toronto that he was losing "it" but he was still a very good pitcher. The PEDs probably added length to his career.
McGwire is a guy who will never get in mainly due to the fact that his numbers aren't the greatest when you put aside the power numbers and there's legit question about whether he was clean at all in his career.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Bonds had something like a 15 WAR advantage over Griffey in the 90s. So, using the most favorable statistical comparison for Griffey by leaving out four of the greatest seasons in the history of game (Bonds from 2001-04), a couple of a very good Bonds' seasons in the 80s, and Griffey's terrible 2000s, Griffey still comes up well short of Bonds.
It's the reason why Bill James throughout the 90s made a point of calling Bonds a GOAT. If it weren't for his PED use and subsequent Babe Ruth-like offensive explosion, I think Bonds would have gone down as a Stan Musial-like under-appreciated superstar instead of the villain that he is today. This is still an inner-circle HOFer well before PED use.I write things on the Internet.
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It's the reason why Bill James throughout the 90s made a point of calling Bonds a GOAT. If it weren't for his PED use and subsequent Babe Ruth-like offensive explosion, I think Bonds would have gone down as a Stan Musial-like under-appreciated superstar instead of the villain that he is today. .
That being said, Bonds has handled his post baseball career like a champ. He's been under the radar and done some good things away from the game like his ownership of a female cycling team and the baseball training stuff he does with kids in the bay area. He's kept very quiet about it all unlike Clemens, yet he hasn't done a (weak) mea culpa like McGwire so it's not perfect but I think Bonds has done a lot to clean up his image that way.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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The HOF shortening the length of time on the ballot from 15 to 10 years is a pretty transparent way of ensuring that Bonds, Clemens, and the rest will never get voted in.I write things on the Internet.
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That's not the only reason though, another reason for the shortening of eligibility is to shed a ton of the backlog that's bound to happen in the next few years with sure fire HOFers coming up.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Also aren't they grandfathered into it because they have been ballot before the new rule was passed?Comment
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