Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

[dickey1331]

Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

I don't see why it wouldn't. It may not be worse, but somebody's perfect game and place in baseball history was stolen on an obvious blown call. Both this and Denkinger's call were not close plays.

Also people forgot Denkinger's call did not single handily cost that team anything. They still had a chance to win that series even with that call.

Jim Joyce on the other hand single handily cost Gallaragga his perfect game. There was nothing more Gallaragga could have done.

Not to mention I could argue throwing a perfect game is every bit a once and a lifetime opportunity as winning a World Series and to have that essentially stolen is flat out sickening.

Like I said before I could care less what the official line says, Armando Gallaragga threw a perfect game.

Took the words outta my mouth.

[Psyblast]

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This.

It happens, some of you have some major anger issues.

Didn't see this coming at all...

[sqeg]

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This.

It happens, some of you have some major anger issues.

LOL @ the holier than you, "I am higher than this attitude". I honestly don't even know why I even bother coming here w/SOME of the mods attitudes. Who are you to try & judge? We're all human, we all have emotion, we all deal w/emotion differently, some may handle it better than others & let's just leave it at that.

[ExtremeGamer]

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LOL @ the holier than you, "I am higher than this attitude". I honestly don't even know why I even bother coming here w/SOME of the mods attitudes. Who are you to try & judge? We're all human, we all have emotion, we all deal w/emotion differently, some may handle it better than others & let's just leave it at that.

Being emotional and upset is one thing.

Seems some went a little farther than that.

We all get upset about things, but people (assuming no one here) changed his Wiki page to have him dead with anti-Semitic comments.

I'm not saying I'm better than anyone, just reading the comments about how pissed off everyone is. It's a game, the sun will rise tomorrow, and the Tigers still won the game. The kid lost a chance at history, I can understand the frustration, but come on, most will recognize that Jim Joyce is one of the better umps in the game.

There's no need for him to lose his job, have death threats, or for the Tigers pitchers to personally throw fastballs at him as suggested here.

I feel terrible for Galaragga, it sucks for him. He'll most likely never have that shot again. Joyce personally and publically apologized to him, the team, and MLB. What else do you want from him?

Sorry if I offended you, it's not my intentions, and was not calling anyone out by name. Just read post after post of people going a little overboard.

[nuckles2k2]

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Am I wrong?

People changing his Wiki page to being dead? Wanting him to lose his job over one bad call? Being pissed off and throwing stuff over a bad call?

Was it a terrible call? Yes. Feel bad for the kid for not getting into the history books. But there have been a thousand terrible calls over the last 50 years of sports. It's the human aspect of sport. People will make bad calls that go both ways. No reason to lose your mind over it.

I don't think anyone is condoning some idiot posting death threats, insulting, or even call for Joyce's job on Wiki...but come on....you're coming across as "that guy" right now. You're not bringing anything to the discussion...you're just telling us everything that we already know. Yes it was a terrible call; we all feel bad for everyone involved (even a friend of mine who was questioning me on what a perfect game was, and when the bad call occurred, the dude flipped out); we know there have been bad calls in the past; we're all human....so we know about human error; no kidding there will be bad calls both ways (that statement coupled with the fact that you're from Cleveland leads me to assume that you're the Indians fan that would sooner or later show up and say "it's no big deal guys comahhhhhhhn")

But none of that means that people can't be sick to the very depths of their stomach to watch a dude that was in Triple-A ball a few weeks ago, have a perfect game taken out of his hands on the would-be last out, on a call that wasn't all that close. Maybe some people are more passionate than you, or maybe you're just being insensitive because the perfect game would have been against your hometown team...I dunno.

But telling people how to feel about witnessing a dude miss his chance on history through no error of his own or a teammate, is foolish. This wasn't even a bang-bang play and if people want to be appalled...let them. Just remove yourself from the situation and discussion if it's too much for you to handle.

[Ewing]

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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-travesty/

He’s human. Humans make mistakes. And it’s why the strengths and weaknesses of one single man should never determine the outcome of such a play. There is no argument against instant replay. Any chance the purists had for a “sanctity of the game” argument just went out the window. Armando Galarraga threw a perfect game, but he won’t get credit for it because one umpire screwed up, when 30 seconds of watching a replay on a monitor would have allowed him to correct his call.


This is ridiculous. Replay. Now.

[ExtremeGamer]

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I don't think anyone is condoning some idiot posting death threats, insulting, or even call for Joyce's job on Wiki...but come on....you're coming across as "that guy" right now. You're not bringing anything to the discussion...you're just telling us everything that we already know. Yes it was a terrible call; we all feel bad for everyone involved (even a friend of mine who was questioning me on what a perfect game was, and when the bad call occurred, the dude flipped out); we know there have been bad calls in the past; we're all human....so we know about human error; no kidding there will be bad calls both ways (that statement coupled with the fact that you're from Cleveland leads me to assume that you're the Indians fan that would sooner or later show up and say "it's no big deal guys comahhhhhhhn")

But none of that means that people can't be sick to the very depths of their stomach to watch a dude that was in Triple-A ball a few weeks ago, have a perfect game taken out of his hands on the would-be last out, on a call that wasn't all that close. Maybe some people are more passionate than you, or maybe you're just being insensitive because the perfect game would have been against your hometown team...I dunno.

But telling people how to feel about witnessing a dude miss his chance on history through no error of his own or a teammate, is foolish. This wasn't even a bang-bang play and if people want to be appalled...let them. Just remove yourself from the situation and discussion if it's too much for you to handle.

LOL, yeah, it has everything to do with the fact that I'm from Cleveland. You do realize how many times bad calls have screwed my teams over the years right? LOL

I watched the game, I rooted for Galaragga to get it from the 7th on. I thought it was a terrible call.

I was just pointing out that some of you need to step back yourself for a minute.

It's all good, I will apologize now for my comment.

[Bellsprout]

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Someone want to explain to me what business the first baseman has fielding that ball?

Isn't that the second baseman's ball all the way? And is that play even that close if the second baseman takes it?

[CMH]

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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/the-travesty/

I do believe that this one play will force MLB to seriously consider replay. Prior to last night, replay was just a mention, a mere thought. It's been said that MLB, the new committee and Selig have never seriously talked about adding replay. There hasn't been a serious need for it.

But, when history is affected by the outcome of a single umpire, I think it raises enough questions to force the issue.

It took a questionable call in a Yankees vs. Mets series to finally seriously consider replay on homeruns being fair or foul. When the issue is magnified by ratings and the attention put into it, it forces change.

People will continue talking about Galarraga and Jim Joyce and Major League Baseball will have to respond.

I have never been a huge supporter of Instant Replay, but it is obvious (especially because of the amount of angles we now have at home) that the league should be using everything it has to make the right call. Instant Replay won't make the game last much longer than it already does.

[Cubfan]

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Jim Joyce is man for admiting the call was a mistake. The call should be reversed but it wont be.

[Simp]

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That's one of the craziest things I've ever seen or will ever see in baseball.

Is it just me or has this season been a bit insane so far? 2010 has the vibe of a memorable year.

[Beantown]

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LOL, yeah, it has everything to do with the fact that I'm from Cleveland. You do realize how many times bad calls have screwed my teams over the years right? LOL

I watched the game, I rooted for Galaragga to get it from the 7th on. I thought it was a terrible call.

I was just pointing out that some of you need to step back yourself for a minute.

It's all good, I will apologize now for my comment.

Why the hell are you apologizing for your comment?

It was a terrible call. As Tim K. said, it's probably the worst regular season missed call...but Joyce is far from the worst umpire in history, and will have to live with this hanging over his head every time he does his job. But wow some of the reactions...I'm sure I'd be pissed if this was a Red Sox pitcher, but can't say it'd even get to me as much as some people here. Nothing wrong with that, and I'm sure I'll get called "not a real fan" or "not passionate enough" but whatever. The Bruins lost a series after being up 3-0, I was distraught that night, swore off Hockey, etc. etc....and woke up the next morning and everything else in my life was fine.

It's sad that this story has completely shadowed one of the best pure baseball players to ever step onto a diamond retiring.

[Bellsprout]

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I feel like this is something that will be overlooked, but I think it's important.

It would be easy for Galarraga to have bitched about the call. It'd have been easy for Joyce to try to defend his call. But they didn't. Galarraga was straight class last night after all this. He said all the right things, he acted the right way, and in an era where our athletes rarely act the right way it was damn refreshing. And I also love the way Joyce has handled this. He hasn't been stubborn like a lot of people in his situation might be, he's manned up, he's said he got it wrong, and he obviously just genuinely feels terrible about it. I loved the quote he had last night that went "This is a history call... and I kicked the **** out of it". It was just so honest. I'm not sure all umpires or referees would've manned up as much as he has in this situation.

This has just been a refreshingly great example of the right way to handle things like this. This could've easily gotten very ugly. Frankly, a lot of us probably wouldn't blame Galarraga if he wanted to just tear into Joyce. But everyone's handled this with class, and I really respect that.

[jim416]

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Now what would we be saying if the opposite happaned? What if he was clearly safe and he called him out? Would we still be screaming for replay?

Good point. It would be forgotten and never again discussed as a tainted perfect game.

I'm betting it gets reversed. Too much of an uproar on this one.

[ROCKHURSTDUDE]

Re: Jim Joyce, worst umpire in history.

Rule 9.02 A
a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.

Judgment calls can't be reversed its part of the game.