Re: Top 5 Pitchers of all time
No argument there. You can have Carlton, I'd rather have Pedro. I would rather have 5 legendary years, than 10 above average ones. He did what he did in the greatest offensive era in baseball history, and in the American League with a DH, neither of which Carlton can say. In a season according to your stats, Steve Carlton would be 17-12 with 255 great innings pitched. I would rather have 18-8 with 223 dominant innings.
Steve Carlton Pitching Stats for Years 1967 to 1984
<table class="sortable stats_table"><thead><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Year</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="middle">Tm</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wins')" align="middle">W</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Losses')" align="middle">L</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage
W / (W + L)
For players, leaders need one decision for every ten team games.
For managers, minimum to qualify for leading is 320 games.')" align="middle">W-L%</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 * ER / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">ERA</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Played or Pitched')" align="middle">G</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Started')" align="middle">GS</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Finished')" align="middle">GF</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Complete Game')" align="middle">CG</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Shutouts
No runs allowed and a complete game.')" align="middle">SHO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Saves')" align="middle">SV</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Innings Pitched')" align="middle">IP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Hits/Hits Allowed')" align="middle">H</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Runs Scored/Allowed')" align="middle">R</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Earned Runs Allowed')" align="middle">ER</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Home Runs Hit/Allowed')" align="middle">HR</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Bases on Balls/Walks')" align="middle">BB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Intentional Bases on Balls
First tracked in 1955.')" align="middle">IBB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Strikeouts')" align="middle">SO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Times Hit by a Pitch.')" align="middle">HBP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Balks')" align="middle">BK</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wild Pitches')" align="middle">WP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Batters Faced')" align="middle">BF</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('ERA+
100*[lgERA/ERA]
Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s).')" align="middle">ERA+</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('(BB + H)/IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">WHIP</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x H / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">H/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x HR / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">HR/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x BB / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">BB/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x SO / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('SO/BB
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/BB</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td align="left">1967-1984</td><td align="left">STL,PHI</td><td align="right">310</td><td align="right">204</td><td align="right">.603</td><td align="right">3.04</td><td align="right">633</td><td align="right">628</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">249</td><td align="right">54</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">4710.2</td><td align="right">4124</td><td align="right">1808</td><td align="right">1590</td><td align="right">349</td><td align="right">1577</td><td align="right">135</td><td align="right">3826</td><td align="right">47</td><td align="right">78</td><td align="right">159</td><td align="right">19416</td><td align="right">121</td><td align="right">1.210</td><td align="right">7.9</td><td align="right">0.7</td><td align="right">3.0</td><td align="right">7.3</td><td align="right">2.43</td></tr><tr class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">Average</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">262</td><td align="right">229</td><td align="right">100</td><td align="right">88</td><td align="right">19</td><td align="right">88</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">213</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1079</td><td align="right">
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</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 170);" class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">per 162 games</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">34</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">255</td><td align="right">223</td><td align="right">98</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">19</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">207</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1049</td><td align="right">
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Pedro Martinez Pitching Stats for Years 1993 to 2005
<table class="sortable stats_table"><thead><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Year</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="middle">Tm</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wins')" align="middle">W</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Losses')" align="middle">L</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage
W / (W + L)
For players, leaders need one decision for every ten team games.
For managers, minimum to qualify for leading is 320 games.')" align="middle">W-L%</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 * ER / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">ERA</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Played or Pitched')" align="middle">G</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Started')" align="middle">GS</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Finished')" align="middle">GF</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Complete Game')" align="middle">CG</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Shutouts
No runs allowed and a complete game.')" align="middle">SHO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Saves')" align="middle">SV</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Innings Pitched')" align="middle">IP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Hits/Hits Allowed')" align="middle">H</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Runs Scored/Allowed')" align="middle">R</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Earned Runs Allowed')" align="middle">ER</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Home Runs Hit/Allowed')" align="middle">HR</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Bases on Balls/Walks')" align="middle">BB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Intentional Bases on Balls
First tracked in 1955.')" align="middle">IBB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Strikeouts')" align="middle">SO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Times Hit by a Pitch.')" align="middle">HBP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Balks')" align="middle">BK</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wild Pitches')" align="middle">WP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Batters Faced')" align="middle">BF</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('ERA+
100*[lgERA/ERA]
Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s).')" align="middle">ERA+</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('(BB + H)/IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">WHIP</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x H / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">H/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x HR / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">HR/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x BB / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">BB/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x SO / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('SO/BB
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/BB</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td align="left">1993-2005</td><td align="left">LAD,MON,BOS,NYM</td><td align="right">197</td><td align="right">83</td><td align="right">.704</td><td align="right">2.72</td><td align="right">417</td><td align="right">351</td><td align="right">22</td><td align="right">46</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">2505.0</td><td align="right">1899</td><td align="right">833</td><td align="right">757</td><td align="right">194</td><td align="right">661</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">2853</td><td align="right">119</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">57</td><td align="right">10001</td><td align="right">167</td><td align="right">1.022</td><td align="right">6.8</td><td align="right">0.7</td><td align="right">2.4</td><td align="right">10.3</td><td align="right">4.32</td></tr><tr class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">Average</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">193</td><td align="right">146</td><td align="right">64</td><td align="right">58</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">51</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">219</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">769</td><td align="right">
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</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 170);" class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">per 162 games</td><td align="right">18</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">223</td><td align="right">170</td><td align="right">75</td><td align="right">68</td><td align="right">18</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">254</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">891</td></tr></tbody></table>
One is Steve Carlton, one is Pedro Martinez. While yes...Martinez had the sub 3.00 ERA, better win %, and I guess all the stats you guys love were better...Carlton ate up innings and did so at a 60% chance of winning games over a longer period of time. Give me Carlton.
<table class="sortable stats_table"><thead><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Year</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="middle">Tm</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wins')" align="middle">W</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Losses')" align="middle">L</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage
W / (W + L)
For players, leaders need one decision for every ten team games.
For managers, minimum to qualify for leading is 320 games.')" align="middle">W-L%</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 * ER / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">ERA</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Played or Pitched')" align="middle">G</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Started')" align="middle">GS</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Finished')" align="middle">GF</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Complete Game')" align="middle">CG</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Shutouts
No runs allowed and a complete game.')" align="middle">SHO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Saves')" align="middle">SV</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Innings Pitched')" align="middle">IP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Hits/Hits Allowed')" align="middle">H</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Runs Scored/Allowed')" align="middle">R</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Earned Runs Allowed')" align="middle">ER</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Home Runs Hit/Allowed')" align="middle">HR</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Bases on Balls/Walks')" align="middle">BB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Intentional Bases on Balls
First tracked in 1955.')" align="middle">IBB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Strikeouts')" align="middle">SO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Times Hit by a Pitch.')" align="middle">HBP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Balks')" align="middle">BK</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wild Pitches')" align="middle">WP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Batters Faced')" align="middle">BF</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('ERA+
100*[lgERA/ERA]
Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s).')" align="middle">ERA+</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('(BB + H)/IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">WHIP</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x H / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">H/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x HR / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">HR/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x BB / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">BB/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x SO / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('SO/BB
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/BB</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td align="left">1967-1984</td><td align="left">STL,PHI</td><td align="right">310</td><td align="right">204</td><td align="right">.603</td><td align="right">3.04</td><td align="right">633</td><td align="right">628</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">249</td><td align="right">54</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">4710.2</td><td align="right">4124</td><td align="right">1808</td><td align="right">1590</td><td align="right">349</td><td align="right">1577</td><td align="right">135</td><td align="right">3826</td><td align="right">47</td><td align="right">78</td><td align="right">159</td><td align="right">19416</td><td align="right">121</td><td align="right">1.210</td><td align="right">7.9</td><td align="right">0.7</td><td align="right">3.0</td><td align="right">7.3</td><td align="right">2.43</td></tr><tr class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">Average</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">262</td><td align="right">229</td><td align="right">100</td><td align="right">88</td><td align="right">19</td><td align="right">88</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">213</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1079</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
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</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 170);" class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">per 162 games</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">35</td><td align="right">34</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">255</td><td align="right">223</td><td align="right">98</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">19</td><td align="right">86</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">207</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">1049</td><td align="right">
</td></tr></tbody></table>
Pedro Martinez Pitching Stats for Years 1993 to 2005
<table class="sortable stats_table"><thead><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="left">Year</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc show_partial_when_sorting" align="middle">Tm</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wins')" align="middle">W</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Losses')" align="middle">L</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Win-Loss Percentage
W / (W + L)
For players, leaders need one decision for every ten team games.
For managers, minimum to qualify for leading is 320 games.')" align="middle">W-L%</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 * ER / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">ERA</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Played or Pitched')" align="middle">G</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Started')" align="middle">GS</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Games Finished')" align="middle">GF</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Complete Game')" align="middle">CG</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Shutouts
No runs allowed and a complete game.')" align="middle">SHO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Saves')" align="middle">SV</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Innings Pitched')" align="middle">IP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Hits/Hits Allowed')" align="middle">H</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Runs Scored/Allowed')" align="middle">R</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Earned Runs Allowed')" align="middle">ER</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Home Runs Hit/Allowed')" align="middle">HR</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Bases on Balls/Walks')" align="middle">BB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Intentional Bases on Balls
First tracked in 1955.')" align="middle">IBB</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Strikeouts')" align="middle">SO</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Times Hit by a Pitch.')" align="middle">HBP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Balks')" align="middle">BK</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Wild Pitches')" align="middle">WP</th><th class="tooltip" onmouseover="Tip('Batters Faced')" align="middle">BF</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('ERA+
100*[lgERA/ERA]
Adjusted to the player’s ballpark(s).')" align="middle">ERA+</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('(BB + H)/IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">WHIP</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x H / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">H/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x HR / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">HR/9</th><th class="tooltip sort_default_asc hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x BB / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">BB/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('9 x SO / IP
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/9</th><th class="tooltip hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('SO/BB
For recent years, leaders need 1 IP
per team game played')" align="middle">SO/BB</th></tr></thead><tbody><tr onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td align="left">1993-2005</td><td align="left">LAD,MON,BOS,NYM</td><td align="right">197</td><td align="right">83</td><td align="right">.704</td><td align="right">2.72</td><td align="right">417</td><td align="right">351</td><td align="right">22</td><td align="right">46</td><td align="right">17</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">2505.0</td><td align="right">1899</td><td align="right">833</td><td align="right">757</td><td align="right">194</td><td align="right">661</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">2853</td><td align="right">119</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">57</td><td align="right">10001</td><td align="right">167</td><td align="right">1.022</td><td align="right">6.8</td><td align="right">0.7</td><td align="right">2.4</td><td align="right">10.3</td><td align="right">4.32</td></tr><tr class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">Average</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">27</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">193</td><td align="right">146</td><td align="right">64</td><td align="right">58</td><td align="right">15</td><td align="right">51</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">219</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">769</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
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</td></tr><tr style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 170);" class=" stat_total" onmouseover="hl(this);" onmouseout="uhl(this);"><td colspan="2">per 162 games</td><td align="right">18</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">
</td><td align="right">38</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">5</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">223</td><td align="right">170</td><td align="right">75</td><td align="right">68</td><td align="right">18</td><td align="right">59</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">254</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">891</td></tr></tbody></table>
One is Steve Carlton, one is Pedro Martinez. While yes...Martinez had the sub 3.00 ERA, better win %, and I guess all the stats you guys love were better...Carlton ate up innings and did so at a 60% chance of winning games over a longer period of time. Give me Carlton.
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