Is a Giants-Rangers World Series good for MLB?

[Scottdau]

Maybe. It's something different. Rangers have nice stories with Hamilton and the manager. Giants have characters with Wilson & Sandoval plus the young pitching staff that's been mostly lights out. There's lots of stuff to go on there.

Don't forget Posey Vs Molina.

[snepp]

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Low ratings are bad for FOX, not for baseball.


Rangers/Giants would be a GOOD thing for baseball. The MLB/BSPN spends way too much time pushing the same **** over and over and over and ****ing over again, being forced to push something different will do some good in the long run.

[Blzer]

Re: Is a Giants-Rangers World Series good for MLB?

I hoped for nothing more than the Phillies, Yankees, and Rays to be knocked out. Two teams are two wins away from that happening. Is it bad for baseball? I think many people also don't like to see so much repetition; I think it would be a good thing for the west coast (or at least west coast divisions) to get some recognition for once.

One thing for sure... it would be a hell of a lot of fun to get a lot of media of the Giants and Rangers from The Show and 2K11 come January.

[dickey1331]

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I really hope we dont get Yankees/Philly. I think Rangers/Giants would be good and a nice change of pace.

[Chrisksaint]

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Obv you might lose some philly/yankees fan which is a huge fan base, but I honestly think it wouldn't be that bad for ratings. More people should be into it to make up for the loss of some of those 2 fan bases, cause of the facts it's not the same old 2 teams and it's 2 teams that you wouldn't have picked 6 months ago to be in it. Not to mention it's not like all the phillies/yankees fans will stop watching if their team loses

[Bellsprout]

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Low ratings are bad for FOX, not for baseball.


Rangers/Giants would be a GOOD thing for baseball. The MLB/BSPN spends way too much time pushing the same **** over and over and over and ****ing over again, being forced to push something different will do some good in the long run.

Low ratings > Less money from the next TV contract and less advertising dollars > bad for baseball.

That said, they can more than sustain one low-rated World Series, so I'm rooting for it.

[snepp]

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Low ratings > Less money from the next TV contract and less advertising dollars > bad for baseball.

Low ratings are bad for millionaires pocketbooks yes, but frankly who cares if the rich get slightly less rich than they otherwise would?

The business of baseball may temporarily take it in the shorts, but I think the sport of baseball wins (the side I care about).

[SPTO]

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Low ratings > Less money from the next TV contract and less advertising dollars > bad for baseball.

That said, they can more than sustain one low-rated World Series, so I'm rooting for it.

Actually, baseball has moved away from being a TV revenue first sport to being more of a gate revenue sport. The attendance figures coupled with apparel and other auxilary purchases are REAL good. You add in MLB's use of the web and how much money they've been generating from that as well as the ownership of their own network and MLB is certainly not hurting for cash.

Also, while MLB is no longer a national TV powerhouse the regionalization of TV has actually put MORE eyeballs on the game compared to the old setup. The synergy of ownership and owner controlled TV has generated some big bucks. The Yankees, Red Sox, O's, Blue Jays and a couple other teams have made a ton of revenue by having the media contracts with their own team operated media outlets. (YES,, NESN, MASN, Rogers Sportsnet) to the point that they can use said revenue for other expenditures.

So while nationally the ESPNs and FOXs will cry a bit it won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things because the teams that have solid operations are raking in the dough. Hell, the Pirates and Royals are operating in the black even though they haven't been competitive in a couple generations!

[ImTellinTim]

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Actually, baseball has moved away from being a TV revenue first sport to being more of a gate revenue sport. The attendance figures coupled with apparel and other auxilary purchases are REAL good. You add in MLB's use of the web and how much money they've been generating from that as well as the ownership of their own network and MLB is certainly not hurting for cash.

Also, while MLB is no longer a national TV powerhouse the regionalization of TV has actually put MORE eyeballs on the game compared to the old setup. The synergy of ownership and owner controlled TV has generated some big bucks. The Yankees, Red Sox, O's, Blue Jays and a couple other teams have made a ton of revenue by having the media contracts with their own team operated media outlets. (YES,, NESN, MASN, Rogers Sportsnet) to the point that they can use said revenue for other expenditures.

So while nationally the ESPNs and FOXs will cry a bit it won't matter too much in the grand scheme of things because the teams that have solid operations are raking in the dough. Hell, the Pirates and Royals are operating in the black even though they haven't been competitive in a couple generations!

Well put. I don't fully buy the argument that baseball has to fix the inequity of salary "problem". What it comes down to is having a competent organization from top to bottom. For the "have nots" it's all about spending money on a core and making sound decisions about how you're going to build around that. Of course the "haves" are going to be able to spend a ****-ton of money on who they perceive to be great. But that doesn't always work (Mets to name one). Fans will always complain about their stars leaving, but what the smart "small" teams do is maximize the value of those players leaving. News flash: It's not going to change. So you can either bitch and complain about it, or set up your organization to work within it.

[DrJones]

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Well put. I don't fully buy the argument that baseball has to fix the inequity of salary "problem". What it comes down to is having a competent organization from top to bottom. For the "have nots" it's all about spending money on a core and making sound decisions about how you're going to build around that. Of course the "haves" are going to be able to spend a ****-ton of money on who they perceive to be great. But that doesn't always work (Mets to name one). Fans will always complain about their stars leaving, but what the smart "small" teams do is maximize the value of those players leaving. News flash: It's not going to change. So you can either bitch and complain about it, or set up your organization to work within it.

I think SPTO is complaining more about the lack of a salary FLOOR than a salary cap. The Pirates, Marlins, Royals, and their ilk should be forced to put a minimum amount of revenue into players, whether it be Major League salaries or (more importantly) the amateur draft and international players.

While I wouldn't mind a real salary cap in baseball, I will say it's less necessary than in the other sports. Even with their monstrous payrolls, the Yankees and Red Sox win about 60% of their games and are vulnerable in best-of-5 or best-of-7 series. The NBA, even with a pseudo cap, features much less parity than baseball. During its capless era, the NHL featured poor teams competing with rich teams by playing anti-hockey (the trap) to negate talent.

[SPTO]

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DrJones is right, i've come around to the idea of a salary floor rather then a cap. The big market teams will always spend but it isn't a guarantee of a championship as there's far more variables at play in baseball. It's the small market teams or teams owned by cheapskate owners that need to actually SPEND rather then making lame excuses and maximizing profit for themselves rather then building a winner and possibly making MORE money in the end.

[daniverson1973]

Re: Is a Giants-Rangers World Series good for MLB?

well, if the yankees can survive game 6, which i think they will, game 7 will BE one hell of a game to watch, and will have awesome tv ratings for damn sure!!!

it'd be Cliff Lee vs CC right? for the right to go to the WS

i know i started this thread, but i changed my mind about something, im rooting for Texas now

GO RANGERS!!!!!!!!
GO JOSH HAMILTON!!!!!

[SPTO]

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it'd be Cliff Lee vs CC right? for the right to go to the WS

Nope, Joe Girardi screwed the pooch with the rotation and it'll be Petitte. If the Yanks lose this series I have a feeling it'll be 50/50 that he'll be fired.

[DrJones]

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Nope, Joe Girardi screwed the pooch with the rotation and it'll be Petitte. If the Yanks lose this series I have a feeling it'll be 50/50 that he'll be fired.

You really think Girardi should've gone CC, Hughes, Pettitte, CC for Games 4-7, all on 3 days' rest? Sabathia didn't exactly have a stellar start on full rest in either Game 1 or 5. Girardi can be blamed for allowing Burnett to pitch the 6th inning, but not for starting him.

[SPTO]

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You really think Girardi should've gone CC, Hughes, Pettitte, CC for Games 4-7, all on 3 days' rest? Sabathia didn't exactly have a stellar start on full rest in either Game 1 or 5. Girardi can be blamed for allowing Burnett to pitch the 6th inning, but not for starting him.

I'm of the school that you put your stud out there 1-4-7

EDIT: Besides you know the Yankees fanbase they can be irrational even though the starting of Burnett turned out okayish.