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  • KSUowls
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    • Jul 2009
    • 5891

    #136
    Re: Derek Jeter

    Originally posted by DrJones
    Yup, but it's apples and oranges. A-Rod had a ton of leverage at the time. He was 32 and coming off a monstrous season: 54 HR, 156 RBI, .314/.422/.645, AL MVP.
    Arod was younger than I remembered him being in that contract. However, this is kind of where it apples to oranges becomes oranges to apples (that probably didn't make any sense). Arod was a total disappointment in NY until his amazing year in 2009 where he was clutch in both the regular season and playoffs. 2009 obviously coming after his new contract; so the contract Arod has right now that has him signed on to be a Yankee until he is 42 was based on really good regular seasons and abysmal post seasons (not to mention the numerous distractions that have popped up with Arod in NY over the years)...yet they were willing to give him an improved contract that pretty much ensures he will be a Yankee for life.

    Derek Jeter on the other hand is a few years older than Arod was at the time of his contract signing, but has been an intricate part of the team in both the regular and post seasons his entire career. Now I'm not saying that players should be awarded contracts based on lifetime achievements, but he is just 1 year removed from one of his best seasons in his career. He's always been, as far as anyone knows at least, great in the clubhouse and never brought any distractions to the team.

    So, the reason I compare the two contracts is because the Yankees were willing to sign (and improve upon) a contract for Arod until he was 42 despite having numerous distractions follow him around and a resume of not performing when the Yankees needed him the most. Yet they're only willing to sign Derek Jeter until he is 39?


    Originally posted by CabreraMVP
    Based on Jeters play last year, he doesn't deserve more than 5. And if he put up numbers like he did in 08, I wouldn't go over 10.

    He is a liability at shorstop, no range. He doesn't hit for power. I still think he will hit around .300 next year, and that his drop off in 2010 doesn't mean he is falling apart.

    But at best you have a horrible defensive shortstop, who isn't blazing fast, who doesn't hit power. He will hit for average, and drive in 60-70. How much he is worth?

    Jhonny Peralta put up better numbers across the board last year. He beat Jeter is almost every statistical category. His average wasn't as high, and he didn't get on base as much, but he drove in 81 runs. He played the same defense Jeter did. Fundamentally sound, but no range.

    Peralta just signed for 6 million a season, and he has best years in front of him. Jeter defenitely doesn't.

    The Yankees could trade for a better shortstop, and give up prospects who won't ever play in New York. And then they could use that 20 million and go sign Crawford. Voila, you have a much better team.

    15 million was outrageously generous. Any more than that? Sheesh. New York could very easily go swing a trade for somebody like Stephen Drew and save themselves a hundred million.

    I've always been a fan of Jeter even though I never really liked the Yankee's. I hate they way they do buisness. But I'm on New York's side. Even they need to have limits sometimes.
    Eh...I think you're off a bit in your assessment. Jeter is certainly no Alex Gonzalez at SS, but I wouldn't call him a liability either. He isn't getting to as many balls as he used to, but he's still making the most out of everything he does get to.

    I think he'll hit at least .300 next year, if he doesn't it means he has definitely fallen off considering his career average is around .315.

    He isn't a homerun hitter, but his bat has a nice pop. A slugging percentage of .450+ for someone who doesn't hit a lot of homeruns is nothing to scoff at.

    You're right he isn't blazing fast, but he's a good base stealer still. He hit 30 stolen bases as recent as 2009. In this day and age of baseball that is good enough to be among the best. It's a far cry from Crawford, but 30 stolen bases puts you in the top 20 in the majors each of the past couple of years.

    The RBIs are a misleading stat. He hits in the #1 spot in the lineup which naturally reduces RBI opportunities. When you want to see how effective someone should be at driving in runs then just look at the slugging percentage as that will be most representative of the types of hits a player is getting and whether or not it gives anyone on base time to score

    Of course all of that said I would agree that 15 million a year is too much for a player at his age. I just think the Yankees should offer more years.
    Last edited by KSUowls; 11-27-2010, 01:42 AM.

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    • CMH
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      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #137
      Re: Derek Jeter

      Originally posted by ASB37
      If Jeter won't budge from 6/$150 million, I have no problem if the Yankees let him go. If he thinks he can find some team to sign him to that he's nuts, but if he actually can, more power to him. I just think it won't be in pinstripes.

      In reality both sides will cave in a little and Jeter will prbably sign a 4 year deal for $18 milllion per.
      I don't think the Yankees go up in dollar amount at all. There's no reason to as they would be bidding up and it sets a bad precedent to bid up with no competition. What happens with Rivera then? He supposedly wants $18 MM which no one will give him in the open market. I bet the Yankees are looking to pay him what he made last year at $15 MM - also something no one will give him in the open market.

      If the Yankees go up on Jeter because he's Jeter, then they have to go up on Rivera because he's Rivera. It's not a good idea.

      What I think the Yankees will do is offer Jeter a fourth year and possibly a fifth year team option, at most. Oh, and if they do, the fourth year will also be at a lower dollar value with the option being higher.
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      • Speedy
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        • Apr 2008
        • 16143

        #138
        Re: Derek Jeter

        Originally posted by Sandman42
        I'll say he signs for 3/$55.
        I'm going 4/$78 with the 4th-year a mutual option.
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        • lonewolf371
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          • Aug 2009
          • 3420

          #139
          Re: Derek Jeter

          No reason for the Yankees to cave. No team is going to give Jeter more than 3/$45.
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          • CMH
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            • Oct 2002
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            #140
            Re: Derek Jeter

            So, talk has it that the Yankees originally offered a lower dollar amount for three years and raised the amount to the 45/3 we are hearing now.

            That either means that the Yankees are willing to go up again or that they have already given Jeter the "Jeter Raise."
            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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            • dickey1331
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              • Sep 2009
              • 14285

              #141
              Originally posted by CMH
              So, talk has it that the Yankees originally offered a lower dollar amount for three years and raised the amount to the 45/3 we are hearing now.

              That either means that the Yankees are willing to go up again or that they have already given Jeter the "Jeter Raise."

              I don't think they will go up anymore. Jeter isn't going to get a better deal then what he is getting and based on Yankee history they won't go any higher.

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              • boomhauertjs
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                • Feb 2004
                • 5373

                #142
                Re: Derek Jeter

                I hope Jeter leaves so that Yankee fans have to feel what all other baseball have to feel, especially us Indians fans.

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                • CMH
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                  • Oct 2002
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                  #143
                  Re: Derek Jeter

                  Originally posted by boomhauertjs
                  I hope Jeter leaves so that Yankee fans have to feel what all other baseball have to feel, especially us Indians fans.
                  What is that?
                  "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

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                  • Crash Davis
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2008
                    • 1321

                    #144
                    Re: Derek Jeter

                    Originally posted by CMH
                    What is that?

                    The Loss of great players (mind u jeters not much anymore) but for the tribe we lost tons of good players usually through trade

                    Manny
                    Thome
                    Sabathia
                    Cliff Lee
                    Westbrook

                    just to name a few...

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                    • albsur2003
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                      • Jun 2003
                      • 213

                      #145
                      Re: Derek Jeter

                      Jeter acts like he made the Yankees. I could understand wanting to get paid on his final contract but quite honestly, the Yanks overpaid him on his last contract and the fact that he's asking for even more now is utterly ridiculous. The Yankees should throw an extra year on the deal, offer him 4 years / 15 mil per and be done with it. And if someone else offers more, match the offer. Any GM willing to pay over 15 million for Jeter's celebrity and not his production is a damn fool.

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                      • nemesis04
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                        • Feb 2004
                        • 13530

                        #146
                        Re: Derek Jeter

                        I am really done with this drama act! I don't really care if he stays or goes at this point. Most likely the Yanks will be accommodating him in his third year by sticking him somewhere other then his primary position at SS. To me that accounts for some compensation on the Yankees part as well!
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                        • bhurst99
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                          • Aug 2003
                          • 9137

                          #147
                          Re: Derek Jeter

                          Originally posted by ASB37
                          If Jeter won't budge from 6/$150 million, I have no problem if the Yankees let him go. If he thinks he can find some team to sign him to that he's nuts, but if he actually can, more power to him. I just think it won't be in pinstripes.

                          In reality both sides will cave in a little and Jeter will prbably sign a 4 year deal for $18 milllion per.
                          I agree with you. It will probably end up being in this neighbourhood with the fourth-year only kicking in if Jeter makes enough plate appearances/games in the first three years.
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                          • CMH
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                            • Oct 2002
                            • 26203

                            #148
                            Re: Derek Jeter

                            Originally posted by Crash Davis
                            The Loss of great players (mind u jeters not much anymore) but for the tribe we lost tons of good players usually through trade

                            Manny
                            Thome
                            Sabathia
                            Cliff Lee
                            Westbrook

                            just to name a few...
                            I guess the difference is watching young prospects leave the team in exchange for a quick fix. But it's not the same as most casual fans don't even know who Navarro was to the Yankees, or that Nick Johnson had a great minor league career, or even that Austin Jackson was supposed to be the future center fielder.

                            So, yea, I get it. I just want Jeter to leave so casual Yankees fans can go cry and stop acting like the Yankees are greater than baseball.
                            "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                            • Sandman42
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 15186

                              #149
                              Re: Derek Jeter

                              Part of me is curious to see what would happen if he leaves and just listening to the panic from everyone in this area that Jeter is gone. Would make WFAN worth listening to for a few days.

                              I still want him back though. He's still a much better player than Eduardo Nunez and there are no good free agents to sign or trade for aside from maybe JJ Hardy, but he's fallen off.
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                              • rsox
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 6309

                                #150
                                Re: Derek Jeter

                                Originally posted by Sandman42
                                Part of me is curious to see what would happen if he leaves and just listening to the panic from everyone in this area that Jeter is gone. Would make WFAN worth listening to for a few days.

                                I still want him back though. He's still a much better player than Eduardo Nunez and there are no good free agents to sign or trade for aside from maybe JJ Hardy, but he's fallen off.
                                The Yankees would likely go after Orlando Cabrera as a stop-gap.

                                If Jeter really wanted to up his bargaining power he would tell other teams he is willing to change positions. He could create a market for himself and maybe get a couple teams with money to spend to eter the fray.

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