What is all the BS I'm hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

**Benita316** · 09-13-2003, 10:37 AM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

So much ignorance.

The ROY award was named for Jackie Robinson.

Well guess what people, when JR won the inagural ROY he had previously been playing in - you guessed it - another professional league!

By both precedent and definition, Ichiro and Matsui were/are both eligible for ROY.

It doesn't matter where you play. Japan, Negro leagues, Europe, AAA. The step up to MLB is ENORMOUS. Anyone playing MLB for the first time is a rookie to both the league and the MLB style of baseball itself.

I really have to wonder if some of you aren't just pissed that foreigners are coming in and taking "your" award.

I mean after all, if you want to whine about Ichiro and Matsui, you must think that Jackie Robinson was undeserving as well.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-13-2003, 12:12 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

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Yankee fans are idiots. First, there should be an age limit of 25. Second, even with out an age limit, Matsui should finish no better than 4th for the ROY. Angel Berroa, Jody Gerut, Mark Texieira, and Rocco Baldelli all easily are better candidates at this point. Baldelli is 1st in avg, Matsui is 2nd. Matusi does lead OBP by a few points. Matsui is 4th in HR's and the only reason he leads the RBI category is because of the lineup in New York.
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.
He'll probably win the ROY, but he won't deserve it...not one bit!

<hr /></blockquote>

Why do you want an age limit? That is ridicoulous to even think of that. What is some player stayed a while in the minors, and was called up when he was about 26-27. Or what if a team found some scrub from the streets, and the guy turns out to be a major leaguer, and he's well above the age limit? There are players still in the Minors, who are well above the age 25. Just look at Mike Glavine. He was called up by the Mets this week, and he's age 30! This is his first time in the bigs.

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Matsui should finish no better than 4th for the ROY. Angel Berroa, Jody Gerut, Mark Texieira, and Rocco Baldelli all easily are better candidates at this point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Oh, geez. I should have just ignored your post, because it's obvious you hate the Yanks. Your first line should have been an warning. But you know what, I'll let you defend your opinion. Please tell me why all of them are heads and shoulders above Matsui.

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Matsui is 4th in HR's and the only reason he leads the RBI category is because of the lineup in New York.
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.
He'll probably win the ROY, but he won't deserve it...not one bit!

<hr /></blockquote>

If he was leading in the HR category, you would have sayed it's because of the short RF, now you're saying because he leads in RBI's, he shouldn't win it, because he plays in the lineup of the Yankees. The RBI's ARE counted, even if he plays for Yanks. And it's not like the team is first in offense.

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Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.

<hr /></blockquote>

He doesn't play for Texas. When he plays for the Rangers, come see me.
A-Rod plays for Texas, and if he played for an contender he would have been an AL MVP every year, but the voters don't take that into consideration. So your logic if he played for an lossing team, he wouldn't be the ROY, is flawed.

Here is how Matsui matches up to the other rookie mentioned;

'Zilla - Rocco
.289 - .294 BA
75 - 80 Runs
164 - 166 Hits
41 - 30 doubles
0 - 7 Triples
16 - 9 HR
253 - 237 TB
99 - 71 RBI
55 - 27 BB
79 - 117 SO
2 - 22 SB
.352 - .329 OBP
.446 - .419 SLG

'Zilla - Gerut
.289 - .282 BA
75 - 62 Runs
164 - 120 Hits
41 - 30 doubles
0 - 2 Triples
16 - 21 HR
253 - 217 TB
99 - 72 RBI
55 - 32 BB
79 - 63 SO
2 - 2 SB
.352 - .340 OBP
.446 - .511 SLG

'Zilla - Teixeira
.289 - .254 BA
75 - 56 Runs
164 - 119 Hits
41 - 25 doubles
0 - 4 Triples
16 - 22 HR
253 - 218 TB
99 - 73 RBI
55 - 38 BB
79 - 105 SO
2 - 1 SB
.352 - .326 OBP
.446 - .466 SLG

'Zilla - Angel
.289 - .284 BA
75 - 76 Runs
164 - 143 Hits
41 - 28 doubles
0 - 5 Triples
16 - 16 HR
253 - 229 TB
99 - 66 RBI
55 - 25 BB
79 - 87 SO
2 - 15 SB
.352 - .335 OBP
.446 - .454 SLG

Gerut is having a great season, congrats!

Anyways, Matsui is just on RBI away from becoming the first rookie since Joe D, to reach 100 Rbis in his first season.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-13-2003, 12:12 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yankee fans are idiots. First, there should be an age limit of 25. Second, even with out an age limit, Matsui should finish no better than 4th for the ROY. Angel Berroa, Jody Gerut, Mark Texieira, and Rocco Baldelli all easily are better candidates at this point. Baldelli is 1st in avg, Matsui is 2nd. Matusi does lead OBP by a few points. Matsui is 4th in HR's and the only reason he leads the RBI category is because of the lineup in New York.
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.
He'll probably win the ROY, but he won't deserve it...not one bit!

<hr /></blockquote>

Why do you want an age limit? That is ridicoulous to even think of that. What is some player stayed a while in the minors, and was called up when he was about 26-27. Or what if a team found some scrub from the streets, and the guy turns out to be a major leaguer, and he's well above the age limit? There are players still in the Minors, who are well above the age 25. Just look at Mike Glavine. He was called up by the Mets this week, and he's age 30! This is his first time in the bigs.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Matsui should finish no better than 4th for the ROY. Angel Berroa, Jody Gerut, Mark Texieira, and Rocco Baldelli all easily are better candidates at this point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Oh, geez. I should have just ignored your post, because it's obvious you hate the Yanks. Your first line should have been an warning. But you know what, I'll let you defend your opinion. Please tell me why all of them are heads and shoulders above Matsui.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Matsui is 4th in HR's and the only reason he leads the RBI category is because of the lineup in New York.
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.
He'll probably win the ROY, but he won't deserve it...not one bit!

<hr /></blockquote>

If he was leading in the HR category, you would have sayed it's because of the short RF, now you're saying because he leads in RBI's, he shouldn't win it, because he plays in the lineup of the Yankees. The RBI's ARE counted, even if he plays for Yanks. And it's not like the team is first in offense.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.

<hr /></blockquote>

He doesn't play for Texas. When he plays for the Rangers, come see me.
A-Rod plays for Texas, and if he played for an contender he would have been an AL MVP every year, but the voters don't take that into consideration. So your logic if he played for an lossing team, he wouldn't be the ROY, is flawed.

Here is how Matsui matches up to the other rookie mentioned;

'Zilla - Rocco
.289 - .294 BA
75 - 80 Runs
164 - 166 Hits
41 - 30 doubles
0 - 7 Triples
16 - 9 HR
253 - 237 TB
99 - 71 RBI
55 - 27 BB
79 - 117 SO
2 - 22 SB
.352 - .329 OBP
.446 - .419 SLG

'Zilla - Gerut
.289 - .282 BA
75 - 62 Runs
164 - 120 Hits
41 - 30 doubles
0 - 2 Triples
16 - 21 HR
253 - 217 TB
99 - 72 RBI
55 - 32 BB
79 - 63 SO
2 - 2 SB
.352 - .340 OBP
.446 - .511 SLG

'Zilla - Teixeira
.289 - .254 BA
75 - 56 Runs
164 - 119 Hits
41 - 25 doubles
0 - 4 Triples
16 - 22 HR
253 - 218 TB
99 - 73 RBI
55 - 38 BB
79 - 105 SO
2 - 1 SB
.352 - .326 OBP
.446 - .466 SLG

'Zilla - Angel
.289 - .284 BA
75 - 76 Runs
164 - 143 Hits
41 - 28 doubles
0 - 5 Triples
16 - 16 HR
253 - 229 TB
99 - 66 RBI
55 - 25 BB
79 - 87 SO
2 - 15 SB
.352 - .335 OBP
.446 - .454 SLG

Gerut is having a great season, congrats!

Anyways, Matsui is just on RBI away from becoming the first rookie since Joe D, to reach 100 Rbis in his first season.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-13-2003, 12:12 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Yankee fans are idiots. First, there should be an age limit of 25. Second, even with out an age limit, Matsui should finish no better than 4th for the ROY. Angel Berroa, Jody Gerut, Mark Texieira, and Rocco Baldelli all easily are better candidates at this point. Baldelli is 1st in avg, Matsui is 2nd. Matusi does lead OBP by a few points. Matsui is 4th in HR's and the only reason he leads the RBI category is because of the lineup in New York.
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.
He'll probably win the ROY, but he won't deserve it...not one bit!

<hr /></blockquote>

Why do you want an age limit? That is ridicoulous to even think of that. What is some player stayed a while in the minors, and was called up when he was about 26-27. Or what if a team found some scrub from the streets, and the guy turns out to be a major leaguer, and he's well above the age limit? There are players still in the Minors, who are well above the age 25. Just look at Mike Glavine. He was called up by the Mets this week, and he's age 30! This is his first time in the bigs.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Matsui should finish no better than 4th for the ROY. Angel Berroa, Jody Gerut, Mark Texieira, and Rocco Baldelli all easily are better candidates at this point.

<hr /></blockquote>

Oh, geez. I should have just ignored your post, because it's obvious you hate the Yanks. Your first line should have been an warning. But you know what, I'll let you defend your opinion. Please tell me why all of them are heads and shoulders above Matsui.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Matsui is 4th in HR's and the only reason he leads the RBI category is because of the lineup in New York.
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.
He'll probably win the ROY, but he won't deserve it...not one bit!

<hr /></blockquote>

If he was leading in the HR category, you would have sayed it's because of the short RF, now you're saying because he leads in RBI's, he shouldn't win it, because he plays in the lineup of the Yankees. The RBI's ARE counted, even if he plays for Yanks. And it's not like the team is first in offense.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Here's the real litmus test...if Matsui was in Texas, would he win the award? NOPE! And you KNOW it.

<hr /></blockquote>

He doesn't play for Texas. When he plays for the Rangers, come see me.
A-Rod plays for Texas, and if he played for an contender he would have been an AL MVP every year, but the voters don't take that into consideration. So your logic if he played for an lossing team, he wouldn't be the ROY, is flawed.

Here is how Matsui matches up to the other rookie mentioned;

'Zilla - Rocco
.289 - .294 BA
75 - 80 Runs
164 - 166 Hits
41 - 30 doubles
0 - 7 Triples
16 - 9 HR
253 - 237 TB
99 - 71 RBI
55 - 27 BB
79 - 117 SO
2 - 22 SB
.352 - .329 OBP
.446 - .419 SLG

'Zilla - Gerut
.289 - .282 BA
75 - 62 Runs
164 - 120 Hits
41 - 30 doubles
0 - 2 Triples
16 - 21 HR
253 - 217 TB
99 - 72 RBI
55 - 32 BB
79 - 63 SO
2 - 2 SB
.352 - .340 OBP
.446 - .511 SLG

'Zilla - Teixeira
.289 - .254 BA
75 - 56 Runs
164 - 119 Hits
41 - 25 doubles
0 - 4 Triples
16 - 22 HR
253 - 218 TB
99 - 73 RBI
55 - 38 BB
79 - 105 SO
2 - 1 SB
.352 - .326 OBP
.446 - .466 SLG

'Zilla - Angel
.289 - .284 BA
75 - 76 Runs
164 - 143 Hits
41 - 28 doubles
0 - 5 Triples
16 - 16 HR
253 - 229 TB
99 - 66 RBI
55 - 25 BB
79 - 87 SO
2 - 15 SB
.352 - .335 OBP
.446 - .454 SLG

Gerut is having a great season, congrats!

Anyways, Matsui is just on RBI away from becoming the first rookie since Joe D, to reach 100 Rbis in his first season.

**snepp** · 09-13-2003, 12:31 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Anyways, Matsui is just on RBI away from becoming the first rookie since Joe D, to reach 100 Rbis in his first season.

<hr /></blockquote>

The first rookie to get to 100 rbi's since....well....2001.

Albert Pujols

**snepp** · 09-13-2003, 12:31 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Anyways, Matsui is just on RBI away from becoming the first rookie since Joe D, to reach 100 Rbis in his first season.

<hr /></blockquote>

The first rookie to get to 100 rbi's since....well....2001.

Albert Pujols

**snepp** · 09-13-2003, 12:31 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AI_Franchise03 said:
Anyways, Matsui is just on RBI away from becoming the first rookie since Joe D, to reach 100 Rbis in his first season.

<hr /></blockquote>

The first rookie to get to 100 rbi's since....well....2001.

Albert Pujols

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-13-2003, 12:33 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

Thanx for the correction, I meant first Yankee rookie.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-13-2003, 12:33 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

Thanx for the correction, I meant first Yankee rookie.

**AI_Franchise03** · 09-13-2003, 12:33 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

Thanx for the correction, I meant first Yankee rookie.

**snepp** · 09-13-2003, 12:40 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Thanx for the correction, I meant first Yankee rookie.

<hr /></blockquote>

No prob.

**snepp** · 09-13-2003, 12:40 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

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AI_Franchise03 said:
Thanx for the correction, I meant first Yankee rookie.

<hr /></blockquote>

No prob.

**snepp** · 09-13-2003, 12:40 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
AI_Franchise03 said:
Thanx for the correction, I meant first Yankee rookie.

<hr /></blockquote>

No prob.

**rsox** · 09-13-2003, 10:42 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

Jody Gerut should win ROY but wont, Matsui will win it whether or not he should be considred a rookie or not is all matter of opinion, such is the same for any award,
some say pujols is MVP some say Bonds, i guess its up to the writers to decide.

**rsox** · 09-13-2003, 10:42 PM

Re: What is all the BS I\'m hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

Jody Gerut should win ROY but wont, Matsui will win it whether or not he should be considred a rookie or not is all matter of opinion, such is the same for any award,
some say pujols is MVP some say Bonds, i guess its up to the writers to decide.

What is all the BS I'm hearing about Matsui not elligible for ROY??

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