Yankees vs Redsox Thread

[muzion]

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Yankee fans have to face this fact. Having Clememns on the mound did have an effect on the game yesterday. If David Wells was pitching instead of him, Manny would have never thought about going at him. Clemens did not want to get thrown out the game and wanted to finish his career on a positive note, that's why he didn't headhunt Manny. Don't tell me that high pitch didn't have any meaning though. He kew he couldn't pitch at Manny so he did the next best thing.

[Lex]

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Im getting tired of how this is all being framed. Zimmer is completely to blame for what Pedro did to him. Pedro could have broke Zimmer in half but didnt. The bigger question should be why was Zimmer out there? He had no right. Also, its a little distirbing that Torre is making a hypocrit out of himself by suggesting that Pedro threw at Garcis on purpose. Both Pedro and Roger throw inside-- thats a given. In fact Clemens is THE BIGGEST HEADHUNTER OF ALLTIME. Clemens was actually the one who said he was going to throw at the vicinity of Bonds' head then did. Yet in spite of this, countless times Torre has defended Roger in such away offering the explanation along the lines that "it got away". Yet, now, he is making the assumption Pedro is headhunting. You cant have it both ways. Is anyone else sick of the media only showing Pedro give Zimmer the ole treatment while constantly reminding everyone Zimmer is 72 years old? Really that has nothing to do with anything. Also, has anyone noticed how the highlights almost never show Garcias cleats up slide into Walker? Also, regarding the groundscrew member; was anyone else bothered by how quickly Fox jumped to the conclusion that it was a fan? This is all adding up to a New York media slandering Boston. I remember watching a variety of games where NY fans have spilled drinks on visiting players and then there was the incident with Jose Canseco and the heckling Yankee fan. Simply put, as much as NY wants to think its better than Boston its really not regarding fans and their behavior and its irresponsible for the media to perpetuate this notion. Sure its true that Boston fans have eccentricities but none that make them less capable of behaving than NY fans.

[Lex]

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Im getting tired of how this is all being framed. Zimmer is completely to blame for what Pedro did to him. Pedro could have broke Zimmer in half but didnt. The bigger question should be why was Zimmer out there? He had no right. Also, its a little distirbing that Torre is making a hypocrit out of himself by suggesting that Pedro threw at Garcis on purpose. Both Pedro and Roger throw inside-- thats a given. In fact Clemens is THE BIGGEST HEADHUNTER OF ALLTIME. Clemens was actually the one who said he was going to throw at the vicinity of Bonds' head then did. Yet in spite of this, countless times Torre has defended Roger in such away offering the explanation along the lines that "it got away". Yet, now, he is making the assumption Pedro is headhunting. You cant have it both ways. Is anyone else sick of the media only showing Pedro give Zimmer the ole treatment while constantly reminding everyone Zimmer is 72 years old? Really that has nothing to do with anything. Also, has anyone noticed how the highlights almost never show Garcias cleats up slide into Walker? Also, regarding the groundscrew member; was anyone else bothered by how quickly Fox jumped to the conclusion that it was a fan? This is all adding up to a New York media slandering Boston. I remember watching a variety of games where NY fans have spilled drinks on visiting players and then there was the incident with Jose Canseco and the heckling Yankee fan. Simply put, as much as NY wants to think its better than Boston its really not regarding fans and their behavior and its irresponsible for the media to perpetuate this notion. Sure its true that Boston fans have eccentricities but none that make them less capable of behaving than NY fans.

[Lex]

Re: Yankees vs Redsox Thread

Im getting tired of how this is all being framed. Zimmer is completely to blame for what Pedro did to him. Pedro could have broke Zimmer in half but didnt. The bigger question should be why was Zimmer out there? He had no right. Also, its a little distirbing that Torre is making a hypocrit out of himself by suggesting that Pedro threw at Garcis on purpose. Both Pedro and Roger throw inside-- thats a given. In fact Clemens is THE BIGGEST HEADHUNTER OF ALLTIME. Clemens was actually the one who said he was going to throw at the vicinity of Bonds' head then did. Yet in spite of this, countless times Torre has defended Roger in such away offering the explanation along the lines that "it got away". Yet, now, he is making the assumption Pedro is headhunting. You cant have it both ways. Is anyone else sick of the media only showing Pedro give Zimmer the ole treatment while constantly reminding everyone Zimmer is 72 years old? Really that has nothing to do with anything. Also, has anyone noticed how the highlights almost never show Garcias cleats up slide into Walker? Also, regarding the groundscrew member; was anyone else bothered by how quickly Fox jumped to the conclusion that it was a fan? This is all adding up to a New York media slandering Boston. I remember watching a variety of games where NY fans have spilled drinks on visiting players and then there was the incident with Jose Canseco and the heckling Yankee fan. Simply put, as much as NY wants to think its better than Boston its really not regarding fans and their behavior and its irresponsible for the media to perpetuate this notion. Sure its true that Boston fans have eccentricities but none that make them less capable of behaving than NY fans.

[NYJets]

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muzion said:
Yankee fans have to face this fact. Having Clememns on the mound did have an effect on the game yesterday. If David Wells was pitching instead of him, Manny would have never thought about going at him. Clemens did not want to get thrown out the game and wanted to finish his career on a positive note, that's why he didn't headhunt Manny. Don't tell me that high pitch didn't have any meaning though. He kew he couldn't pitch at Manny so he did the next best thing.

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The next best thing would be to brush him off the plate. That didn't even do that. If Manny didn't move at all, the ball still wouldn't be close to him. If the Red Sox are scared to face a hard throwing pitcher, that is there problem, not Clemens.

[NYJets]

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muzion said:
Yankee fans have to face this fact. Having Clememns on the mound did have an effect on the game yesterday. If David Wells was pitching instead of him, Manny would have never thought about going at him. Clemens did not want to get thrown out the game and wanted to finish his career on a positive note, that's why he didn't headhunt Manny. Don't tell me that high pitch didn't have any meaning though. He kew he couldn't pitch at Manny so he did the next best thing.

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The next best thing would be to brush him off the plate. That didn't even do that. If Manny didn't move at all, the ball still wouldn't be close to him. If the Red Sox are scared to face a hard throwing pitcher, that is there problem, not Clemens.

[NYJets]

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muzion said:
Yankee fans have to face this fact. Having Clememns on the mound did have an effect on the game yesterday. If David Wells was pitching instead of him, Manny would have never thought about going at him. Clemens did not want to get thrown out the game and wanted to finish his career on a positive note, that's why he didn't headhunt Manny. Don't tell me that high pitch didn't have any meaning though. He kew he couldn't pitch at Manny so he did the next best thing.

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The next best thing would be to brush him off the plate. That didn't even do that. If Manny didn't move at all, the ball still wouldn't be close to him. If the Red Sox are scared to face a hard throwing pitcher, that is there problem, not Clemens.

[NYJets]

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How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

[NYJets]

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How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

[NYJets]

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How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

[mjb2124]

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NYJets37 said:
How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

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I've gone back and forth on this. I agree with what you're saying, but I also think Pedro had to be an idiot to bean Garcia in that situation. If he wanted to send a message he should've done it at another time. In a must win game for Boston (IMO), he hit Garcia and loaded the bases with no outs. BOS was down by 1 at the time. That's a terrible time to send a message and hit someone. However, I do agree with what you said. He is never that wild....

[mjb2124]

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NYJets37 said:
How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

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I've gone back and forth on this. I agree with what you're saying, but I also think Pedro had to be an idiot to bean Garcia in that situation. If he wanted to send a message he should've done it at another time. In a must win game for Boston (IMO), he hit Garcia and loaded the bases with no outs. BOS was down by 1 at the time. That's a terrible time to send a message and hit someone. However, I do agree with what you said. He is never that wild....

[mjb2124]

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NYJets37 said:
How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

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I've gone back and forth on this. I agree with what you're saying, but I also think Pedro had to be an idiot to bean Garcia in that situation. If he wanted to send a message he should've done it at another time. In a must win game for Boston (IMO), he hit Garcia and loaded the bases with no outs. BOS was down by 1 at the time. That's a terrible time to send a message and hit someone. However, I do agree with what you said. He is never that wild....

[NYJets]

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NYJets37 said:
How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

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I've gone back and forth on this. I agree with what you're saying, but I also think Pedro had to be an idiot to bean Garcia in that situation. If he wanted to send a message he should've done it at another time. In a must win game for Boston (IMO), he hit Garcia and loaded the bases with no outs. BOS was down by 1 at the time. That's a terrible time to send a message and hit someone. However, I do agree with what you said. He is never that wild....

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I agree with that, but I also don't think Pedro is all that smart when it comes to this. He did numerous things in this game, and in others that could have hurt his team, and got him ejected. I think Pedro has trouble thinking things through in the heat of the battle. Just a guess though from what I've seen from him.

[NYJets]

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joeboo said:
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NYJets37 said:
How can you not think Pedro hit him on purpose? It wasn't a fastball moving in that moved to far in like most times when a batter gets hit. It was a straight fastball, thrown behind him. Pedro doesn't throw a straight fastball, and he defiently doesn't miss that much.

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I've gone back and forth on this. I agree with what you're saying, but I also think Pedro had to be an idiot to bean Garcia in that situation. If he wanted to send a message he should've done it at another time. In a must win game for Boston (IMO), he hit Garcia and loaded the bases with no outs. BOS was down by 1 at the time. That's a terrible time to send a message and hit someone. However, I do agree with what you said. He is never that wild....

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I agree with that, but I also don't think Pedro is all that smart when it comes to this. He did numerous things in this game, and in others that could have hurt his team, and got him ejected. I think Pedro has trouble thinking things through in the heat of the battle. Just a guess though from what I've seen from him.