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  • BleacherBum2310
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    • Aug 2010
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    #16
    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

    Take Him. Cubs save $ And get compensatory draft picks. And with Theo and Co. That's a good thing. Reports are he's looking for a 4 or 5 Year deal. Good Luck with that.

    I'm a Aramis Fan, but his time in Chicago is over.. Unless he lowers his price tag.
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    • CabreraMVP
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      • Sep 2010
      • 1437

      #17
      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

      Originally posted by BleacherBum2310
      Take Him. Cubs save $ And get compensatory draft picks. And with Theo and Co. That's a good thing. Reports are he's looking for a 4 or 5 Year deal. Good Luck with that.

      I'm a Aramis Fan, but his time in Chicago is over.. Unless he lowers his price tag.
      Considering the Cubs are 4-5 years away from doing anything, it's understandable that they would rather have draft picks and more money. Heck, they still are paying Dempter 14 million next season.

      He won't get 4-5 years, there's no way. He's 33. He hasn't show any decline offensively, but nobody is going to give him more than 3. I'll be shocked. I bet he will take 2 if he can get 13-14 per.
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      • Chrisksaint
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        • Apr 2010
        • 19127

        #18
        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

        The Marlins look to be active in FA this year and from what i've read they could increase it by atleast $30M so interested to see what moves they make. Do they go for the best FAs available in Pujols/Fielder even if it's not an immediate area of need or do they push for a SP,etc.
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        • SPTO
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          • Feb 2003
          • 68046

          #19
          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

          There was a silly rumor coming out towards the end of the World Series that the Blue Jays may considering signing David Ortiz. This sounds like one of those made up rumors by agents because the Blue Jays never EVER publicly discuss any rumors. Big Papi doesn't even fit what the Jays need/want as he'd be Frank Thomas all over again.

          The Jays are also expressing a ton of interest in J-Ball pitching sensation Yu Darvish and I believe they've had scouts looking at him the last couple years.

          Essentially the Jays are going to be looking for a starter, solid bullpen arms and most likely a bat or two.
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          • BleacherBum2310
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            • Aug 2010
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            #20
            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

            Originally posted by CabreraMVP
            Heck, they still are paying Dempter 14 million next season.

            He won't get 4-5 years, there's no way. He's 33. He hasn't show any decline offensively, but nobody is going to give him more than 3. I'll be shocked. I bet he will take 2 if he can get 13-14 per.
            Agreed on the Aram Points. Yeah Dempster's contract is bad.. I think there going to re-structure it, not sure. But Cubs need SP BAD and I feel he was just unlucky this year. So I'm not that mad that his optioned got picked up.
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            • CabreraMVP
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              • Sep 2010
              • 1437

              #21
              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

              I dont know man....If take away 2008, he's under .500 for his career and very up/down. He's a good innings eater, back end of the rotation guy. But anyways 14 million is an awful lot for him. He shouldn't get more than 10 I think. And that's when he is at his best.

              14 million for a so-so pitcher on a rebuilding team filled with horrible contracts...The Cubs would love if he turned down his option
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              • rsox
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                • Feb 2003
                • 6309

                #22
                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                Originally posted by Marino
                I doubt LA can really do anything this offseason, but please, please, lock up Kemp and Kershaw. That would make me a happy camper.
                Kershaw they can probably lock up but i doubt they can lock up Kemp. Kemp was already unhappy when he signed a two year contract a couple of years ago and the Dodgers signed Andre Ethier after to a higher deal. Kemp is all about the money so i doubt he is going to give up the chance to test free agency and sign a long term deal to stay with a broke-*** owner

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                • OSUFan_88
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                  • Jul 2004
                  • 25642

                  #23
                  Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                  Originally posted by CabreraMVP
                  And about Lowe...he had a 5 ERA and a 1.50 WHIP in the NL. He's 38. And now going to the AL? You really can't expect much from him. He's been so bad since leaving LA.

                  Jimenez, Carmona, Lowe.....The Tigers/Royals/Twins/White Sox are feeling good about next season.
                  Not sure why they would feel good about Ubaldo.

                  And our 4/5 are just as good as the Tigers/Royals/Twins/White Sox 4 and 5 starters.
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                  • Travis40
                    MVP
                    • Nov 2008
                    • 1651

                    #24
                    Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                    Per Buster Olney, CC Sabathia agreed to a one year extension (for the 2016 season) at $25 million, with a $25 million team option for 2017 that has a $5 million buyout.

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                    • CabreraMVP
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                      • Sep 2010
                      • 1437

                      #25
                      Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                      Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                      Not sure why they would feel good about Ubaldo.

                      And our 4/5 are just as good as the Tigers/Royals/Twins/White Sox 4 and 5 starters.
                      Did you not watch him pitch last season?

                      Why would teams want to face Ubaldo? Maybe his 5.10 ERA in his 11 starts for Cleveland? He threw batting practice all season and got worse as the season went on. Mysteriously lost 4mph of his fastball. June was the only month he had an ERA lower than 4.70, and he faced the Dodgers twice and the Padres in that month. Showed absolutely no signs of looking like a front line pitcher, all season. Even his coaches still can't figure out why he fell off.

                      Yeah...why do teams want to face this guy?

                      And OK you have average 4 and 5 starters...Is Carmona (5.25 ERA) Jiminez (5 ERA) in your top three? Where does Lowe fit in? He's not even average. I see Justin Masterson, two of the worst pitchers in the league, and a guy who fell and nobody knows why. Where are you going with this.
                      Last edited by CabreraMVP; 10-31-2011, 08:10 PM.
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                      • NYJets
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 18637

                        #26
                        Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                        Nice Glad CC isn't hitting the market, while I was never worried he'd actually leave, hitting the market could have really drove up the price.
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                        • OSUFan_88
                          Outback Jesus
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 25642

                          #27
                          Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                          Originally posted by CabreraMVP
                          Did you not watch him pitch last season?

                          Why would teams want to face Ubaldo? Maybe his 5.10 ERA in his 11 starts for Cleveland? He threw batting practice all season and got worse as the season went on. Mysteriously lost 4mph of his fastball. June was the only month he had an ERA lower than 4.70, and he faced the Dodgers twice and the Padres in that month. Showed absolutely no signs of looking like a front line pitcher, all season. Even his coaches still can't figure out why he fell off.

                          Yeah...why do teams want to face this guy?
                          So what you are saying is that there is absolutely no way a guy could figure it out, eh? No way. None?

                          Yes, of course I think he's going to find it. There is no real reason why he cannot other than he mysteriously lost it.
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                          • OSUFan_88
                            Outback Jesus
                            • Jul 2004
                            • 25642

                            #28
                            Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                            Originally posted by CabreraMVP
                            And OK you have average 4 and 5 starters...Is Carmona (5.25 ERA), Lowe (5 ERA), and Jiminez (5 ERA) your top three?
                            Since you are apparently too lazy to do your own work:

                            Masterson
                            Ubaldo
                            Tomlin
                            Lowe/Carmona

                            But we all know that Lowe, despite all his stats showing he was just incredibly unlucky, is going to suck.
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                            • CabreraMVP
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                              • Sep 2010
                              • 1437

                              #29
                              Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                              I didn't say there is no way, but you're acting like there is no doubt he will find "it."

                              Mysteriously losing all your velocity is not good. People couldn't even diagnosis his problem, still nobody has. Lol. He got rocked.

                              Even in Colorado he was not an ace....and that's when he was posting great numbers in some of the biggest pitchers parks.

                              So he magically finds all his velocity and pitches like his old self. He's in the American League. His 3.66 ERA he posted in Colorado in pitchers parks with no DH's, is going to be closer to 4.

                              He's not a sure thing...and on top of that, he's been an ace for 2 months of his career.

                              And as of right now Cleveland has one of the worst rotations in the AL and by trading for Lowe, makes it look like they aren't going to be spending any money or trying hard to improve it.
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                              • CabreraMVP
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                                • Sep 2010
                                • 1437

                                #30
                                Re: The Hot Stove League Thread

                                Originally posted by OSUFan_88
                                But we all know that Lowe, despite all his stats showing he was just incredibly unlucky, is going to suck.
                                His last 3 seasons: 4.57 ERA, 1.5 WHIP.

                                Has he just been really unlucky for the past 3 years? Or maybe he is just 38 and on his last life? And how do you explain his 2009 season? He's been garbage since he left LA, and I'm a Lowe fan. But he's been horrible. Maybe he was unlucky last season, but he sucked the past 2 years. He got that final big deal from Atlanta, and has done nothing to earn it.

                                In 2010, where we was incredibly average with his 4 ERA and 1.3 WHIP, is nothing to get excited about. I would be suprised if he came anywhere close to that this season in the AL.

                                And a betting man who would say that a 4.50 ERA and 1.5 WHIP (over 3 year span) are not going to improve in the American League for a 38 year old.

                                You've got 2 solid pitchers....one HUGE question mark in Jimenez...Lowe who at best might keep his ERA around 4.25...and Carmona who flat out sucks.

                                edit: let me just say this, if all things go right maybe they have themselves a reliable group of pitchers. But me personally, I try to be an optimist, but I don't have confidence in that group of pitchers turning the page 180 degrees. We'll see.
                                Last edited by CabreraMVP; 10-31-2011, 08:40 PM.
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