Theo, just give Ryno a chance. The dude wants it SO bad. I think he'll work his *** off and get every little bit of talent out of his team.
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Theo, just give Ryno a chance. The dude wants it SO bad. I think he'll work his *** off and get every little bit of talent out of his team.NFL: Bills
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I hear Ryno's going to interview for the Cards job...Imagine if he ends up going there. Really, you can't blame him if he does end up somewhere else. The man's been wanting the job for a long time now and has been passed over every time there's been an opening.
So I wouldn't blame him for managing somewhere else if that's the case.Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Dude, come on. If CC "just met expectations" then the expectations were unbelievably high in the first place. He's been pretty much the definition of an ace the whole time he's been with New York. Is it a lot of money? Yes, but that's what happens in baseball, and especially in New York. But to act like they're throwing this kind of cash at a average player is ridiculous.1. He's not overpaid
2. He met extremely high expectations, you can't really exceed expectations when your expected to be a legit ace
3. He did not just want more money, and they didn't just give him money just like that. He was essentially a free agent, and they agreed on a very fair deal.
He made 5 million more than the next guy, Roy Halladay. Sabathia gets paid a ridiculous amount to be an ace, and win playoff games. He was an ace, he pitches like one in the regular season. That's what you'd expect out of somebody who makes nearly a million dollars a start, no?
If a guy is signed to pitch like an ace, why do you give him more money when he does? All he's doing is fulfilling his end of the deal.
If a ask a kid to buy me a newspaper and I give him .50 cents, I'm not going to give him extra money when he comes back. "hey, you did exactly what I paid you to do, he's some more money for not being lazy and stealing my money."
And the reason I say he is overpaid is because, like I said, he makes 5 million more than Roy Halladay. And he's not better than Roy Halladay. Verlander did much more than him this season and did it for less than half the price.
I didn't make him out to be an average pitcher. He's great. But being the highest paid pitcher by a wide margin, and not being the best pitcher, and not performing well in the postseason, is a fine reason to call him overpaid.
If I was paying a guy 25 million annually until 2017, I'd expect him to be the best pitcher since he is being paid like it.
I'm not ragging on him at all, I'm just simply that not many people are worth that money, and he's not the best at his position. The bottom line is that I gave him that money, I'd expect him to come through in the postseason...be the best in the regular season. That's just how I see it.Last edited by CabreraMVP; 11-02-2011, 10:28 PM.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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Again, he had an opt out clause in his contract. Essentially he was a free agent. All this stuff about not deserving more money for doing his job is irrelevant. It's really not any different than if he had signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees and was a free agent now, except that the Yankees were able to work something out before he hit the market, and probably saved some money.
I believe Lee makes more per year than CC. CC is right in line with Santana. Halladay makes less, but Halladay is older. Verlander never hit the open market, that's not a fair comparison. CC makes what he should.Originally posted by Jay BilasThe question isn't whether UConn belongs with the elites, but over the last 20 years, whether the rest of the college basketball elite belongs with UConnComment
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Verlander will be about the same age as CC is now when his current deal is up. If the Tigers lowball him and he hits the open market, wait until you see what that deal is going to look like. And the Yankees would probably be a player in that.Comment
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He made 5 million more than the next guy, Roy Halladay. Sabathia gets paid a ridiculous amount to be an ace, and win playoff games. He was an ace, he pitches like one in the regular season. That's what you'd expect out of somebody who makes nearly a million dollars a start, no?
If a guy is signed to pitch like an ace, why do you give him more money when he does? All he's doing is fulfilling his end of the deal.
If a ask a kid to buy me a newspaper and I give him .50 cents, I'm not going to give him extra money when he comes back. "hey, you did exactly what I paid you to do, he's some more money for not being lazy and stealing my money."
And the reason I say he is overpaid is because, like I said, he makes 5 million more than Roy Halladay. And he's not better than Roy Halladay. Verlander did much more than him this season and did it for less than half the price.
I didn't make him out to be an average pitcher. He's great. But being the highest paid pitcher by a wide margin, and not being the best pitcher, and not performing well in the postseason, is a fine reason to call him overpaid.
If I was paying a guy 25 million annually until 2017, I'd expect him to be the best pitcher since he is being paid like it.
I'm not ragging on him at all, I'm just simply that not many people are worth that money, and he's not the best at his position. The bottom line is that I gave him that money, I'd expect him to come through in the postseason...be the best in the regular season. That's just how I see it.Comment
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Again, he had an opt out clause in his contract. Essentially he was a free agent. All this stuff about not deserving more money for doing his job is irrelevant. It's really not any different than if he had signed a 3 year deal with the Yankees and was a free agent now, except that the Yankees were able to work something out before he hit the market, and probably saved some money.
I believe Lee makes more per year than CC. CC is right in line with Santana. Halladay makes less, but Halladay is older. Verlander never hit the open market, that's not a fair comparison. CC makes what he should.
He opted out, he was a FA, the Yankees gave him a raise to ensure he was locked up before he hit the open market, if he hits the open market you never know what can happen a team could throw an even bigger offer his way (unlikely but that would be the risk they were taking) and then you really messed things up.Favorite Teams:
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I keep reading stories that have the Brewers as one of the front runners for Jose Reyes... I must admit I love that!! Then sign Carlos Pena to replace Prince, that would be one hell of an off season!!
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If the Brewers could afford a big name free agent, the one they would be trying to sign would be....Fielder.
And Sabathia wanted to stay in New York all along and the Yankee's wanted to keep him. He opted out for more money and he knew that New York would give it to him. He had no intentions on leaving. That whole 3 year clause was just another way of giving him a lot more money even though he was already being paid what he should in my eyes. It's been clear since he came that he was not going to leave, and the opt out was just a way to gain more money because he could.Last edited by CabreraMVP; 11-03-2011, 01:53 PM.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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Just speculation but some media types in Toronto are suggesting the Jays go after Rafael Furcal (no thanks) Mark Buehrle (sp) (I'd probably go for this) and Papelbon (NO GOD NO!)
I see the Dodgers resigned Juan Rivera.....why? Actually how did he do in LA?Member of the Official OS Bills Backers Club
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Braves taking offers for Jurrjens and Prado:
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And Sabathia wanted to stay in New York all along and the Yankee's wanted to keep him. He opted out for more money and he knew that New York would give it to him. He had no intentions on leaving. That whole 3 year clause was just another way of giving him a lot more money even though he was already being paid what he should in my eyes. It's been clear since he came that he was not going to leave, and the opt out was just a way to gain more money because he could.Comment
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The Royals are among the teams the Braves have approached about Jurrjens. The Braves are interested in a number of Kansas City’s highly-regarded young prospects, including outfielder Wil MyersComment
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