The Hot Stove League Thread

[BleacherBum2310]

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Personally. I'd rather have 100 Mil of Darvish than 77.5 Mill of CJ Wilson.

[Chaos81]

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Kansas City Royals announced today that the club has signed utility infielder Yuniesky Betancourt to a one-year Major League contract for 2012.

[SPTO]

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To end that speculation, Rogers needs to announce how much they bid to restore their credibility with their fans.

Did you hear about the conference call this morning?

WHAT. A. JOKE.

I know how Anthopoulos operates and I think for the most part his idea of not giving details etc etc is a sound one but calling a conference call just to say in effect "no comment" is total BS. He decided to do the conference call as he ws getting inundated with calls about the bidding but to go on a conference call and say "we don't make comments on what we do in regards to signing players/negotiations" is pointless. He even went so far as to intimate that the Jays may not even have put in a bid at all!

I think this is where Anthopoulos' "Cone of Silence" attitude has come back to bite him HARD. The lines burned up with PO'ed fans all day on The FAN and I don't blame 'em. If I were AA I'd have at least said that they made a bid. you don't have to give out the exact details.

Just a terrible PR move all the way around.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Personally. I'd rather have 100 Mil of Darvish than 77.5 Mill of CJ Wilson.

We say that now...

[Sportsforever]

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It's almost like KC and Moore are trying to suck...seriously. They already got SOMETHING for this guy and now they are taking him back. I can't feel for a team that continues to make moves like this (although I feel for the fans).

[bkrich83]

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Personally. I'd rather have 100 Mil of Darvish than 77.5 Mill of CJ Wilson.

120 million on a player who hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB?

With Wilson you know what you're getting.

Like I said, I've seen this movie before when it comes to Japanese pitchers. It's a pretty large risk to say the least.

[Sportsforever]

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120 million on a player who hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB?

With Wilson you know what you're getting.

Like I said, I've seen this movie before when it comes to Japanese pitchers. It's a pretty large risk to say the least.

I wouldn't pay for either of them...I'm not high on Wilson and do not like paying out the nose for Darvish. Out of every Japanese pitcher who has come over, I can only think of three who did anything (a guy for the Giants in the 1960's, Nomo, and Dice K). The rest were duds and even the guys who did stuff broke down quickly.

[TheMatrix31]

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Darvish would have Greg Maddux working with him. That's a nice, nice thing.

[SPTO]

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Darvish would have Greg Maddux working with him. That's a nice, nice thing.

When did Greg start working for the Rangers?

It's his less famous brother Mike who's the pitching coach.

[philliesfan136]

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When did Greg start working for the Rangers?

It's his less famous brother Mike who's the pitching coach.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/baseball/mlb/11/29/rangers.maddux.ap/index.html

[SPTO]

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201....ap/index.html

I sit corrected.

That's a damn good thing there. Darvish will be learning from a master. I think Darvish's stuff from what i've seen would translate well if he gets the Maddux Treatment by the umps. Of course he'll have to earn it.

[Perfect Zero]

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120 million on a player who hasn't thrown a pitch in the MLB?

With Wilson you know what you're getting.

Like I said, I've seen this movie before when it comes to Japanese pitchers. It's a pretty large risk to say the least.

We do know what Wilson has, and that's why the team never made an offer for him. Remember what you saw from him last year? That's his ceiling. A #2-3 guy that has good stuff, but will never translate into TORP material. The Rangers still have Holland and Feliz as potential aces, and have added to that with Darvish.

The Rangers have invested in scouting pretty heavily over the past few years, and they know what they are getting with this pitcher. Just because there are a few names from the past that bombed doesn't mean that all Japanese pitchers are rotten. There's risk in every move that a team makes, the Rangers are making sure that risk is minimal.

By the way bkrich83, Maury Brown of Baseball Prospectus is reporting that the Rangers' deal with Fox Sports is likely near the range of $$3 billion. I'm not a subscriber so I can't read all of the report, but he believes the $$1.5 billion report was about the barebones contract. Just something interesting that I found...

[Perfect Zero]

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I sit corrected.

That's a damn good thing there. Darvish will be learning from a master. I think Darvish's stuff from what i've seen would translate well if he gets the Maddux Treatment by the umps. Of course he'll have to earn it.

Not only that, but Nolan Ryan still works with the pitching staff. It's nice to have these names in the teaching and coaching department.

[Travis40]

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Here's a section of the Maury Brown article regarding the Rangers TV deal.

When it was reached shortly after Nolan Ryan and former owner Chuck Greenberg won the auction for the club, it was reported that the 20-year deal was worth $3 billion. And then, for some reason, that changed to between $1.5-$1.6 billion, which has now circulated about enough to become “fact.”

But, in speaking with two sources that were close to the negotiations on the television deal yesterday, they say that the original figure of $3 billion is closer to the truth… and possibly then some (the sources would not elaborate as to the total but said that based upon certain escalators in the deal, the package could be worth more).

So it turns out that the TV deal could end up being more than $3B. Wow.

[bkrich83]

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Here's a section of the Maury Brown article regarding the Rangers TV deal.




So it turns out that the TV deal could end up being more than $3B. Wow.

That doesn't sound any more concrete than the first report. The way baseball owners protect their finances we may never know. 3B sounds dubious for that market.