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He has a career 3.40 ERA in 700 innings. His WHIP is OK and better than averaged at 1.28.
He's a quality pitcher. Not an ace, but he can be a good number 3. Durability is his only issue.
He's had two great seasons, last year and 2009 when he threw 215 innings with a 2.60 ERA. He had a solid year in 2008, he just struggled in 2010.
I'm sure he can pitch in the East, he's a very good pitcher. If he can just stay out there and rack up 30 starts, I bet he would be a very good pickup.'
In 8 career starts agaisnt the American League, he has a 1.34 ERA. He's faced Boston and Texas twice (great offenses) and has looked very good even though it's a small sample size. In 11 career starts agaisnt the Phillies, he has a 2.45 ERA with a 1.001 WHIP. He can pitch agaisnt big lineups.
He doesn't throw hard, and deliberately took even more MPH off his fastball last year to pitch to more contact. It comes in there 88, but he locates it and moves it around. He just knows how pitch. He's smart, he's young, and he can still get better. He's 25.
If he stays healthy I think he's a fine number 3, and definitely better than what Baltimore has to work with. Everyday for the past 7 years, they send a guy out to the mound with a match and a can of gasoline. They could use a 25 year old with 3 very good seasons to his name.Last edited by CabreraMVP; 01-03-2012, 07:12 PM.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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"People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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I think Adam Jones is a remarkable talent with a very good glove. Offensively, he walks once a week or so and hits for low average. I will grant he is an above average player as a whole, but I don't want him in Atlanta. We just watched Alex Gonzalez for two years and Gonzo is just an older version of him as of now."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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I can sort of kind of get behind the idea of trading Nick, but not AJ.Comment
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I think Adam Jones is a remarkable talent with a very good glove. Offensively, he walks once a week or so and hits for low average. I will grant he is an above average player as a whole, but I don't want him in Atlanta. We just watched Alex Gonzalez for two years and Gonzo is just an older version of him as of now.Comment
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The past 3 seasons Jones has had a .280/.325/.460 split with an .780 OPS. Good power (20-25 homers). When you add that with his glove, he's a pretty solid player who still has room to grow.
He's no Barry Bonds when it comes to on base percentage, but overall his numbers are pretty good for a center fielder. Would look nice in a Braves lineup in need of pop.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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The past 3 seasons Jones has had a .280/.325/.460 split with an .780 OPS. Good power (20-25 homers). When you add that with his glove, he's a pretty solid player who still has room to grow.
He's no Barry Bonds when it comes to on base percentage, but overall his numbers are pretty good for a center fielder. Would look nice in a Braves lineup in need of pop.
Francouer - 270/313/433 = 746 OPS
Jones - 275/319/437 = 756 OPS
There per 162 game stats are almost identical as well. I don't hear anyone clamoring about Jeff Francouer being a stud and a dare say if Frank Wren traded JJ or Prado to acquire Francouer there would be an uprising."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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While the career is similar they represent two players at two different stages. Franceour's line looks better than what it is, because his first 2 seasons was great and then for 5 years he struggled to hold an OPS over .700. Jones struggled early on. Jones played 31 games in 2006, 40 in 2007, and 2008 was his first full season. Once he got some PA's under his belt, he's been better than Francouer ever was and more consistent.
I don't see you are going to hold these poor years agaisnt him, you can't expect a rookie/september callup to have a good year. There is a million rookies who have a great September and never come close to that again and are back in the minor leagues within a year. Some great players have gotten called up and struggled. Those years don't matter.
The years that really matter are what he has done since 2009. I never hold a guys rookie numbers agasint them because it doesn't represent the player they are.
Since 2009, he has had nearly an .800 OPS like I said. He's been right out there each of the past 3 seasons. Franceour has come close to that twice, 2007 and last year.
So Jones is younger, and is much more consistent. Francouer followed up his .782 OPS in 2007, with .653 the next year, then .732, and .683.
Franceour's career year in 2007? Which he has really only come close to once since then? Jones has done that every year since 2009. And Jones has basically had 3 less full seasons in the big leagues, and is 2 years younger, and hasn't had his year best year yet.
Francouer has a .700 OPS since 2007. In that same time Jones has a .760 OPS and that is dragged down from his first full season where he struggled.
So Jones is much better, much more consistent, and younger. Franceour's .746 career OPS (which is inflated) is pretty bad for a corner outfielder. Jones is a Center Fielder, which makes him near .800 OPS seasons much more impressive.
I dont' care about Jones walk rate. Go find yourself a CF who can produce more than him. Any CF you find that gets on base more still won't be better than Jones. The fact that he can drive himself in is much more important than him getting on base so the dynamic 7-8-9 trio in the Orioles lineup can drive him in.
Walks are important, but aren't everything. Jones is one of the best offensive CF's in baseball despite his walk rate. How many CF's have a .350 OBP, 25 homers, and an .790 OPS? Go find out the asking price of Curtis Granderson if you want a power hitting, on base machine in Center Field.Last edited by CabreraMVP; 01-04-2012, 01:57 PM.JayElectronicaBluElzhi2PacTheNotoriousB.I.G.ReksSc arfaceFashawnJeruThaDamajaComment
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