Braun tests positive for PEDs.

[Perfect Zero]

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Good read on using PED's and HOF.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...ids/index.html

And yet they all still cheated.

Pete Rose had one of the greatest careers of all time in baseball. The all time hits king, Rose was at the top of his game for many years and has Hall of Fame worthy stats. At one point, you could argue that he was the face of baseball during the postseason runs of the Big Red Machine.

And yet he still cheated.

Did his betting on games as the manager of the Cincinnati Reds cause them to win or lose more games? I highly doubt that, but the rules are in place to protect the image of the game. The Hall of Fame is for the glory of the game; what does it say about baseball if they elect a Barry Bonds or a Mark McGuire? It's okay to cheat because in the end you were still going to be really good?

I guess that is a reflection of what America is today. Nobody can reach the standards of the past, so we lower the bar so that everybody feels good about themselves. That's not the way this should work at all. That also includes some of my favorite Rangers who were taking steroids at the time as well. If you cheat, no matter how beloved you are, nor how much star power you have should matter. If you cheat, you should be exposed, and you should not enter one of the most sacred halls in all of sport. The same should be true today as it was in the past, and what it should be in the future. Looking back, people will point to the Braun mess and take a look at what he did for baseball. There will be a vote held if he has the stats.

And yet, he still cheated.

[ubernoob]

Um. Who said he cheated? The tests were replicated.

What about those that get prescribed steroids as rehab?

What about the fact of the matter that you still have to hit the damn ball?

All these arguments are based on conjecture, as we will have no knowledge of what truly happened.

Please, don't even start to say that the players of yesteryear set the bar too high. That's a joke.

Let's just enjoy the game, ffs.

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[davis420]

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Braun had a positive test. Why would the tester be "out to get him"? He should admit it and move on instead of trying to play the" but I'm a good guy" card. He got off because of a technicality, his test was still positive.

[ImTellinTim]

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Um. Who said he cheated? The tests were replicated.

No they were not. Nothing about doing the secondary test to determine the source of the testosterone. Why isn't anyone getting that point? Urine does not grow synthetically derived testosterone out of thin air!

[ubernoob]

No they were not. Nothing about doing the secondary test to determine the source of the testosterone. Why isn't anyone getting that point? Urine does not grow synthetically derived testosterone out of thin air!

No, but being able to replicate the test results while following the same procedures is pretty amazing right?

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[ImTellinTim]

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No, but being able to replicate the test results while following the same procedures is pretty amazing right?

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Elevated levels of testosterone does not equal elevated levels of synthetic testosterone. So no, the test results were not replicated. Were they even exactly the same elevated level?

[p_rushing]

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No, but being able to replicate the test results while following the same procedures is pretty amazing right?

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No it isn't. If you could recreate the same results with natural testosterone, then all drug testing would be thrown out. Drug tests for Olympics are shipped around the world and stay in the Fedex boxes for days. If there was ever the case that testosterone increased, someone would have known and proven it by now.

Also the recreated results didn't say anything about synthetic testosterone. You don't get synthetic testosterone unless you inject it into your body or into the urine.

Now if the synthetic testosterone is not true and an independent lab could set Braun's urine on a counter for 48 hours and it then contain 20x the normal natural testosterone, then that would be something amazing.

Somehow I don't think Braun's urine is any different than every other humans.

[roadman]

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Does anyone know for certain if they tried the second test? Absolutely, positively certain?

No, nobody knows.

I did tweet Will Carroll and he said two words, don't know. That's the same at OS, we don't know.

I guess from here on out, Braun will go down in the eyes of many in the same pile as Manny and all the others.

[rdub78]

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http://www.amazon.com/Bigger-Stronge...pr_product_top

Great insightful movie about PED's in sports and in other walks of life.

I dont know if Braun is guilty or innocent, but no matter what he is, I dont point a finger at him declaring him a cheat or a fake.

I honestly just want this whole thing to go away now, I am sick of hearing about it. Let's just start the season already!!!

[rdub78]

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That's the thing about this whole issue here, is that nobody really know the whole story at all.

It's not like this was a public trial and people watched testimony from all involved. All we hear are snippets and bits and pieces of what MIGHT have happened.

[umpire]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

he tested positve like most do he cheated period he knew what he was doing....

Does anyone know for certain if they tried the second test? Absolutely, positively certain?

No, nobody knows.

I did tweet Will Carroll and he said two words, don't know. That's the same at OS, we don't know.

I guess from here on out, Braun will go down in the eyes of many in the same pile as Manny and all the others.

the only one he will go down with are the liars of using any form stubance steriods etc...

[roadman]

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he tested positve like most do he cheated period he knew what he was doing....

the only one he will go down with are the liars of using any form stubance steriods etc...

No one knows the full story as was said above.

Nobody knows for 100% certainly if he cheated or if he didn't cheat.

[Perfect Zero]

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No it isn't. If you could recreate the same results with natural testosterone, then all drug testing would be thrown out. Drug tests for Olympics are shipped around the world and stay in the Fedex boxes for days. If there was ever the case that testosterone increased, someone would have known and proven it by now.

Also the recreated results didn't say anything about synthetic testosterone. You don't get synthetic testosterone unless you inject it into your body or into the urine.

Now if the synthetic testosterone is not true and an independent lab could set Braun's urine on a counter for 48 hours and it then contain 20x the normal natural testosterone, then that would be something amazing.

Somehow I don't think Braun's urine is any different than every other humans.

The big bold thing is what the case should have turned on. What happened to Braun's sample happens to nearly every single sample that is used during Olympic drug testing. Braun's lawyers were able to spin this and make it seem as if this was a wacky circumstance.

Synthetic testosterone doesn't just spontaneously generate. It stays constant, especially if the sample has not been tampered with. Braun's sample still had the double seal on it, and the laboratory confirmed that nothing was done to alter the composition in the bottle.

I don't buy "we'll never know the whole story" crap either. Braun needs to explain how his natural testosterone was completely out of line with synthetic testosterone. Braun needed to turn the case on his innocence; instead he turned it on the arbitrator's opinion. There is a difference between the two.

[roadman]

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The big bold thing is what the case should have turned on. What happened to Braun's sample happens to nearly every single sample that is used during Olympic drug testing. Braun's lawyers were able to spin this and make it seem as if this was a wacky circumstance.

Synthetic testosterone doesn't just spontaneously generate. It stays constant, especially if the sample has not been tampered with. Braun's sample still had the double seal on it, and the laboratory confirmed that nothing was done to alter the composition in the bottle.

I don't buy "we'll never know the whole story" crap either. Braun needs to explain how his natural testosterone was completely out of line with synthetic testosterone. Braun needed to turn the case on his innocence; instead he turned it on the arbitrator's opinion. There is a difference between the two.

Not really.

His law team took the path to least resistance. It's easier to beat out a chain of custody vs trying to prove his innocence to an arbitrator.

How do we know the bottle wasn't contaminated before Braun put his urine in it? That is possible.

Sabotage (someone exposing Braun to testosterone without his knowledge) or someone putting testosterone in Braun's urine sample bottle beforehand are possibilities, said Catlin, the founder and former director of the UCLA Olympic Laboratory. Catlin also is a member of the International Olympic Committee's medical commission.

Yes, we don't know the whole story and we might not, either.

[ImTellinTim]

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Does anyone know for certain if they tried the second test? Absolutely, positively certain?

No, nobody knows.

Yes, when the initial test returns high levels of testosterone, there are futher tests to verify the original results are accurate and to investigate the source. At least according to what I've heard.