Braun tests positive for PEDs.

[roadman]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

Yes, when the initial test returns high levels of testosterone, there are futher tests to verify the original results are accurate and to investigate the source. At least according to what I've heard.

Sorry, I was talking about the Braun team.

It's been reported by Will Carroll that Brauns team ran the same test as the MLB test to produce the same results. I think you asked if they ran the synthetic test vs the natural test(Braun's team) to produce the same results.

Nobody knows for certain on that one, including Will Carroll. He tweeted me he doesn't know.

[ubernoob]

Yes, when the initial test returns high levels of testosterone, there are futher tests to verify the original results are accurate and to investigate the source. At least according to what I've heard.

Don't they also do further testing on the player(of which, this one test aside, Braun has never failed) all...

Put me in the camp of were never gonna know for sure. I'm just happy he doesn't have to serve a suspension.

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[ImTellinTim]

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Don't they also do further testing on the player(of which, this one test aside, Braun has never failed) all...

Put me in the camp of were never gonna know for sure. I'm just happy he doesn't have to serve a suspension.

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I can't comment on that because I don't know the timing of any tests and how long a dose of injected or ingested testosterone leaves traces in the body.

[roadman]

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Another article that creates questions in the whole matter.

http://disciplesofuecker.com/new-reports-in-braun-case-only-increase-uncertainty/

[1Rose]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I can't comment on that because I don't know the timing of any tests and how long a dose of injected or ingested testosterone leaves traces in the body.

I know for a fact ingested stays in your body for at least 30 days after you finish your cycle. Not sure about injected though, I would imagine it's more seeing it's straight into your blood stream.

[ubernoob]

Another article that creates questions in the whole matter.

http://disciplesofuecker.com/new-rep...e-uncertainty/

I give up trying to follow along.

I doubt I'll ever know if he truly did or didn't. I do know I'll enjoy watching him play.

The season needs to start so well have something to talk about other than convoluted news stories.

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[umpire]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

No one knows the full story as was said above.

Nobody knows for 100% certainly if he cheated or if he didn't cheat.

i know what you said and that can be said for ever player who been on the list of using some forum of stubiance why is he getting a free pass is bs in my mind.

[roadman]

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^^

Part of it is that this is the CBA that both owners and mlbpa agreed to.

Plus, in the article I linked above, this happened in 1994. I don't think science changes much in 18 yrs.

In 1994, British track star Diane Modahl tested positive for a banned substance. That positive test was overturned, however, when an independent panel ruled in her favor due to mishandling of her sample in a Portuguese laboratory. It was argued that bacterial activity could have increased testosterone levels while the sample was not refrigerated.

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I give up trying to follow along.

I doubt I'll ever know if he truly did or didn't. I do know I'll enjoy watching him play.

The season needs to start so well have something to talk about other than convoluted news stories.

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Agreed. I'm done with it. I just want the rules to be applied consistently, that's all.

[rdub78]

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I see the collector put out a lengthy statement today.

[Money99]

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I'm as skeptical as anyone when it comes to the honesty and integrity of today's athletes.
But with Braun's case, I'm very suspicious of the the test. I believe he's innocent and here's why:

1. his tests before and after were completely clean.
2. his 'failed' test was 3x higher than any other known failed case. THREE TIMES. I have to think that if he really had 3x more testosterone in his system than the next highest cheating athlete, he would look more like The Hulk and less like Mr.Fantastic.
3. His stats did not change dramatically during the course of the year. During this 'spiked' interval, it wasn't like he was hitting 10 HR's in a 2 week period. There is no change in his appearance or stat line during that period.
4. If the people in charge of administering these tests can't even competently mail in a bottle of urine, then why should I believe that someone in the labs couldn't inadvertently mess up as well?

Braun's body does not look like that of someone who is juicing. His stats haven't changed at all throughout the last few years and he's passed several other tests during that time as well.

If I were MLB, I'd be more concerned of how this chain of custody was so easily broken and whether or not the labs have the proper protocol in place to ensure no sample is ever compromised.
Better yet, when a sample is tainted, do they have the proper procedures in place to identify the error and save everyone a giant headache of falsely accusing someone of cheating and therefore sullying the reputation of everyone involved.

[p_rushing]

Re: Braun tests positive for PEDs.

I'm as skeptical as anyone when it comes to the honesty and integrity of today's athletes.
But with Braun's case, I'm very suspicious of the the test. I believe he's innocent and here's why:

1. his tests before and after were completely clean.
2. his 'failed' test was 3x higher than any other known failed case. THREE TIMES. I have to think that if he really had 3x more testosterone in his system than the next highest cheating athlete, he would look more like The Hulk and less like Mr.Fantastic.
3. His stats did not change dramatically during the course of the year. During this 'spiked' interval, it wasn't like he was hitting 10 HR's in a 2 week period. There is no change in his appearance or stat line during that period.
4. If the people in charge of administering these tests can't even competently mail in a bottle of urine, then why should I believe that someone in the labs couldn't inadvertently mess up as well?

Braun's body does not look like that of someone who is juicing. His stats haven't changed at all throughout the last few years and he's passed several other tests during that time as well.

These parts don't make any case. Depending on how you spin this, it could be said that the PED helped him recover throughout the season and helped his stats not drop. Season stats cannot be looked at to help prove his innocence.

[rdub78]

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These parts don't make any case. Depending on how you spin this, it could be said that the PED helped him recover throughout the season and helped his stats not drop. Season stats cannot be looked at to help prove his innocence.

Agreed.

One of my biggest issues is people citing stats as some sort of justification for a guy doing or not doing PED's.

[Perfect Zero]

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After hearing the collector's side of the story, I have to believe there is no way Braun is innocent of taking steroids. The person who collected the sample followed standard protocal in order to deliever the sample to the lab, and nothing was out of the ordinary.

The sample was double sealed, it was not contaminated, and it was proven to have elevated testosterone. I don't see what part of "we don't know the whole story" is left.

[Bellsprout]

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There was the whole "eh, my basement's cold enough" thing.

And there's this, from Dan Patrick, "He took the test with two other teammates who also had drug tests that were higher than normal. They were a little bit more out of whack."

If that's true, and I emphasize the if because I don't know if it is, it either means their tests weren't leaked like Braun's and they were able to appeal with anonymity or that Braun's was the only one to test positive for something synthetic.