I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year, and the Yankees have a lot of questions for the 4 and 5 spots. Lieber is OK versus righties when healthy (which I'm not sure he is yet), but gets ripped up by lefties. Wakefield is historically inconsistent (as most knuckleballers are), and Byung-Hyun Kim will not pitch past August for obvious psychological reasons. All things being equal, the Yankees have a better lineup, as the Red Sox can't possibly depend on Billy Mueller or David Ortiz duplicating their 2003 seasons...they might, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. The Yankees hitters, on the other hand, like Sheffield and Rodriguez have performed consistently year after year. That being said, I am going to be rooting HARD for the Devil Rays and Blue Jays this year.
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year, and the Yankees have a lot of questions for the 4 and 5 spots. Lieber is OK versus righties when healthy (which I'm not sure he is yet), but gets ripped up by lefties. Wakefield is historically inconsistent (as most knuckleballers are), and Byung-Hyun Kim will not pitch past August for obvious psychological reasons. All things being equal, the Yankees have a better lineup, as the Red Sox can't possibly depend on Billy Mueller or David Ortiz duplicating their 2003 seasons...they might, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. The Yankees hitters, on the other hand, like Sheffield and Rodriguez have performed consistently year after year. That being said, I am going to be rooting HARD for the Devil Rays and Blue Jays this year. -
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year
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That's what's funny about Red Sox fans. They keep bringing up the health of Yankee pitchers, but if memory serves me correctly, Pedro Martinez has been hampered every single year with injuries. It's not like the man's built like Roger Clemens.
On topic: Of course Soriano's capable of hitting and stealing 40+ in that stadium. It's even quite possible for him to put up MVP-type numbers there.
But, the team isn't going anywhere. End of discussion.
To whoever brought up ARod's away stats, just look at the lineup and tell me if there's potential for his stats to go up, regardless of which ballpark he's playing in, home or away. It's not that difficult to pull a HR to rightfield at Yankee Stadium (I've seen it numerous times).Comment
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year
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That's what's funny about Red Sox fans. They keep bringing up the health of Yankee pitchers, but if memory serves me correctly, Pedro Martinez has been hampered every single year with injuries. It's not like the man's built like Roger Clemens.
On topic: Of course Soriano's capable of hitting and stealing 40+ in that stadium. It's even quite possible for him to put up MVP-type numbers there.
But, the team isn't going anywhere. End of discussion.
To whoever brought up ARod's away stats, just look at the lineup and tell me if there's potential for his stats to go up, regardless of which ballpark he's playing in, home or away. It's not that difficult to pull a HR to rightfield at Yankee Stadium (I've seen it numerous times).Comment
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year
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That's what's funny about Red Sox fans. They keep bringing up the health of Yankee pitchers, but if memory serves me correctly, Pedro Martinez has been hampered every single year with injuries. It's not like the man's built like Roger Clemens.
On topic: Of course Soriano's capable of hitting and stealing 40+ in that stadium. It's even quite possible for him to put up MVP-type numbers there.
But, the team isn't going anywhere. End of discussion.
To whoever brought up ARod's away stats, just look at the lineup and tell me if there's potential for his stats to go up, regardless of which ballpark he's playing in, home or away. It's not that difficult to pull a HR to rightfield at Yankee Stadium (I've seen it numerous times).Comment
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the yankees starting pitching will be fine this year, id take there rotation over about half the teams in baseballs. there strength in pitching is going to be the bullpun if these guys cna give them 6 or 7 solid innings and turn it over to gordon, quantrill, white or heredia for 2 and then rivera in the 9th they should be fine. last year the bullpen was a big problem thsi year its very improved. starting pitching shouldnt be too bad, i still expect a trade at one point in the season for a pitcherComment
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the yankees starting pitching will be fine this year, id take there rotation over about half the teams in baseballs. there strength in pitching is going to be the bullpun if these guys cna give them 6 or 7 solid innings and turn it over to gordon, quantrill, white or heredia for 2 and then rivera in the 9th they should be fine. last year the bullpen was a big problem thsi year its very improved. starting pitching shouldnt be too bad, i still expect a trade at one point in the season for a pitcherComment
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the yankees starting pitching will be fine this year, id take there rotation over about half the teams in baseballs. there strength in pitching is going to be the bullpun if these guys cna give them 6 or 7 solid innings and turn it over to gordon, quantrill, white or heredia for 2 and then rivera in the 9th they should be fine. last year the bullpen was a big problem thsi year its very improved. starting pitching shouldnt be too bad, i still expect a trade at one point in the season for a pitcherComment
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year
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That's what's funny about Red Sox fans. They keep bringing up the health of Yankee pitchers, but if memory serves me correctly, Pedro Martinez has been hampered every single year with injuries. It's not like the man's built like Roger Clemens.
On topic: Of course Soriano's capable of hitting and stealing 40+ in that stadium. It's even quite possible for him to put up MVP-type numbers there.
But, the team isn't going anywhere. End of discussion.
To whoever brought up ARod's away stats, just look at the lineup and tell me if there's potential for his stats to go up, regardless of which ballpark he's playing in, home or away. It's not that difficult to pull a HR to rightfield at Yankee Stadium (I've seen it numerous times).
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yeah but i guess another starter is like a safety guy, because we know at least someone is going to get injuredJust wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.Comment
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year
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That's what's funny about Red Sox fans. They keep bringing up the health of Yankee pitchers, but if memory serves me correctly, Pedro Martinez has been hampered every single year with injuries. It's not like the man's built like Roger Clemens.
On topic: Of course Soriano's capable of hitting and stealing 40+ in that stadium. It's even quite possible for him to put up MVP-type numbers there.
But, the team isn't going anywhere. End of discussion.
To whoever brought up ARod's away stats, just look at the lineup and tell me if there's potential for his stats to go up, regardless of which ballpark he's playing in, home or away. It's not that difficult to pull a HR to rightfield at Yankee Stadium (I've seen it numerous times).
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yeah but i guess another starter is like a safety guy, because we know at least someone is going to get injuredJust wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.Comment
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I don't think the Yankees necessarily NEED to acquire a lefty starter. It would be nice, sure, but the fact remains that Mussina/Brown/Vazquez is as good as Pedro/Schilling/Lowe. I'd be surprised if Kevin Brown and Schilling lasted the whole year
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That's what's funny about Red Sox fans. They keep bringing up the health of Yankee pitchers, but if memory serves me correctly, Pedro Martinez has been hampered every single year with injuries. It's not like the man's built like Roger Clemens.
On topic: Of course Soriano's capable of hitting and stealing 40+ in that stadium. It's even quite possible for him to put up MVP-type numbers there.
But, the team isn't going anywhere. End of discussion.
To whoever brought up ARod's away stats, just look at the lineup and tell me if there's potential for his stats to go up, regardless of which ballpark he's playing in, home or away. It's not that difficult to pull a HR to rightfield at Yankee Stadium (I've seen it numerous times).
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yeah but i guess another starter is like a safety guy, because we know at least someone is going to get injuredJust wait till Arsenal moves into Emirates Stadium.Comment
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I think its no contest, Pedro/Schilling/Lowe is better than Mussina/Brown/ and Vazquez. Let's face it, Mussina is overrated and has been ever since he signed with the Yankees. He'll be dominant some days and awful on others. He did not have a good postseason last year, or really a good second half for that matter. Anyone remember how well he started last year? He looked like a lock to be the starter at the All-Star game going into June and then he fell apart and never quite came back to form.
Pedro is not the most durable pitcher, and thats well known. The difference here is that Pedro usually only has to skip a start or two at some point, all though last year he did miss a month. He'll get in 190-200 innings next year and each one of them will be pretty good. The Sox also have people to fall back on in case he can't make a start. Schilling's a horse and Wakefield could practically pitch everyday and they have Arroyo and Mendoza in the bullpen for spot starts. Pedro is still the best pitcher in the AL when is on that mound.
Schilling should be the 2nd best pitcher in the AL. I don't forsee any health problems with him unless its something like a freak accident where he breaks his hand on a comebacker. He'll be fine. And Lowe will have better numbers with Pokey Reese at second base and Millar at first for the whole year. Wakefield may be a knuckleballer, but he is very consistent for a knuckleballer, thats why he is the only to ever win a postseason game. He was never quite on last year, and I expect he will be better this year. People tend to forget that when he was inserted back into the rotation in 2002 he was dominant. I don't think he'll be that good but I expect a sub 4.00 ERA from him this year. That and his value transcends his numbers because he can come out the pen if need be.
Lefties have a history of getting murdered at Fenway, thats why Red Sox teams do not always have one in their rotation. Soft-throwing lefties in particular are very vulnerable at Fenway. There is a reason why David Wells said when they finally blow the place up, he wants to be the one to press the button.
Its common for people to assume that the Sox will not duplicate their offensive output from a year ago, but lets look at it more closely for a minute. For one, their is little to no offense at second base (unless Belhorn has a bounce back year) so that is one reason to assume the offense won't be as potent. And from that standpoint, I agree. Then there is all of the people who had "career" years. Bill Mueller is the one most often thrown into this category. When he was healthy, he was a pretty good hitter, probably not quite as good as last year's Mueller, but still pretty good. If he is healthy again this year then there is nothing wrong with expecting an average around .300 and 12 homers. Varitek had a career high in homers last year, but his average was below his usual. He was also coming off an elbow injury when he played in '02, and that was why he was unable to reach 20 home runs. I expect pretty much the same from him this year. Ortiz, if you look at his past, played out the way he was supposed to. What he did last year was what was expected given his natural progression as a player. There is no reason to assume less. Actually, there is even more reason to assume more since Ortiz got very little playing time in April and May because everyone was high on Jeremy Giambi. Nixon could also be counted on to do the same, and Damon and Millar should improve on last year's efforts. Their offense will not be as good as last year's, but it won't be bad. They will be fighting for the title of number 1 offense all season long with the Yankees.Comment
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I think its no contest, Pedro/Schilling/Lowe is better than Mussina/Brown/ and Vazquez. Let's face it, Mussina is overrated and has been ever since he signed with the Yankees. He'll be dominant some days and awful on others. He did not have a good postseason last year, or really a good second half for that matter. Anyone remember how well he started last year? He looked like a lock to be the starter at the All-Star game going into June and then he fell apart and never quite came back to form.
Pedro is not the most durable pitcher, and thats well known. The difference here is that Pedro usually only has to skip a start or two at some point, all though last year he did miss a month. He'll get in 190-200 innings next year and each one of them will be pretty good. The Sox also have people to fall back on in case he can't make a start. Schilling's a horse and Wakefield could practically pitch everyday and they have Arroyo and Mendoza in the bullpen for spot starts. Pedro is still the best pitcher in the AL when is on that mound.
Schilling should be the 2nd best pitcher in the AL. I don't forsee any health problems with him unless its something like a freak accident where he breaks his hand on a comebacker. He'll be fine. And Lowe will have better numbers with Pokey Reese at second base and Millar at first for the whole year. Wakefield may be a knuckleballer, but he is very consistent for a knuckleballer, thats why he is the only to ever win a postseason game. He was never quite on last year, and I expect he will be better this year. People tend to forget that when he was inserted back into the rotation in 2002 he was dominant. I don't think he'll be that good but I expect a sub 4.00 ERA from him this year. That and his value transcends his numbers because he can come out the pen if need be.
Lefties have a history of getting murdered at Fenway, thats why Red Sox teams do not always have one in their rotation. Soft-throwing lefties in particular are very vulnerable at Fenway. There is a reason why David Wells said when they finally blow the place up, he wants to be the one to press the button.
Its common for people to assume that the Sox will not duplicate their offensive output from a year ago, but lets look at it more closely for a minute. For one, their is little to no offense at second base (unless Belhorn has a bounce back year) so that is one reason to assume the offense won't be as potent. And from that standpoint, I agree. Then there is all of the people who had "career" years. Bill Mueller is the one most often thrown into this category. When he was healthy, he was a pretty good hitter, probably not quite as good as last year's Mueller, but still pretty good. If he is healthy again this year then there is nothing wrong with expecting an average around .300 and 12 homers. Varitek had a career high in homers last year, but his average was below his usual. He was also coming off an elbow injury when he played in '02, and that was why he was unable to reach 20 home runs. I expect pretty much the same from him this year. Ortiz, if you look at his past, played out the way he was supposed to. What he did last year was what was expected given his natural progression as a player. There is no reason to assume less. Actually, there is even more reason to assume more since Ortiz got very little playing time in April and May because everyone was high on Jeremy Giambi. Nixon could also be counted on to do the same, and Damon and Millar should improve on last year's efforts. Their offense will not be as good as last year's, but it won't be bad. They will be fighting for the title of number 1 offense all season long with the Yankees.Comment
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I think its no contest, Pedro/Schilling/Lowe is better than Mussina/Brown/ and Vazquez. Let's face it, Mussina is overrated and has been ever since he signed with the Yankees. He'll be dominant some days and awful on others. He did not have a good postseason last year, or really a good second half for that matter. Anyone remember how well he started last year? He looked like a lock to be the starter at the All-Star game going into June and then he fell apart and never quite came back to form.
Pedro is not the most durable pitcher, and thats well known. The difference here is that Pedro usually only has to skip a start or two at some point, all though last year he did miss a month. He'll get in 190-200 innings next year and each one of them will be pretty good. The Sox also have people to fall back on in case he can't make a start. Schilling's a horse and Wakefield could practically pitch everyday and they have Arroyo and Mendoza in the bullpen for spot starts. Pedro is still the best pitcher in the AL when is on that mound.
Schilling should be the 2nd best pitcher in the AL. I don't forsee any health problems with him unless its something like a freak accident where he breaks his hand on a comebacker. He'll be fine. And Lowe will have better numbers with Pokey Reese at second base and Millar at first for the whole year. Wakefield may be a knuckleballer, but he is very consistent for a knuckleballer, thats why he is the only to ever win a postseason game. He was never quite on last year, and I expect he will be better this year. People tend to forget that when he was inserted back into the rotation in 2002 he was dominant. I don't think he'll be that good but I expect a sub 4.00 ERA from him this year. That and his value transcends his numbers because he can come out the pen if need be.
Lefties have a history of getting murdered at Fenway, thats why Red Sox teams do not always have one in their rotation. Soft-throwing lefties in particular are very vulnerable at Fenway. There is a reason why David Wells said when they finally blow the place up, he wants to be the one to press the button.
Its common for people to assume that the Sox will not duplicate their offensive output from a year ago, but lets look at it more closely for a minute. For one, their is little to no offense at second base (unless Belhorn has a bounce back year) so that is one reason to assume the offense won't be as potent. And from that standpoint, I agree. Then there is all of the people who had "career" years. Bill Mueller is the one most often thrown into this category. When he was healthy, he was a pretty good hitter, probably not quite as good as last year's Mueller, but still pretty good. If he is healthy again this year then there is nothing wrong with expecting an average around .300 and 12 homers. Varitek had a career high in homers last year, but his average was below his usual. He was also coming off an elbow injury when he played in '02, and that was why he was unable to reach 20 home runs. I expect pretty much the same from him this year. Ortiz, if you look at his past, played out the way he was supposed to. What he did last year was what was expected given his natural progression as a player. There is no reason to assume less. Actually, there is even more reason to assume more since Ortiz got very little playing time in April and May because everyone was high on Jeremy Giambi. Nixon could also be counted on to do the same, and Damon and Millar should improve on last year's efforts. Their offense will not be as good as last year's, but it won't be bad. They will be fighting for the title of number 1 offense all season long with the Yankees.Comment
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I think its no contest, Pedro/Schilling/Lowe is better than Mussina/Brown/ and Vazquez. Let's face it, Mussina is overrated and has been ever since he signed with the Yankees. He did not have a good postseason last year, or really a good second half for that matter. And Lowe will have better numbers with Pokey Reese at second base and Millar at first for the whole year.
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Moose looked OK in Game 7 of the ALCS if I recall...
Low'es numbers have trended downward since his 1st year as a starter. He had the highest run support in the AL last year, so I would expect him to be much more of a 4.50 ERA, 14-11 kind of guy than 18 to 20 wins.
Any talk of the Sox repeating their career years is foolish Sux fan spin-doctoring; it just ain't gonna happen.
Pedro will be hard pressed to pitch 200 innings this year, and his head is so messed up against the Yankees he'll be a non-entity as usual.Comment
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Misfit said:
I think its no contest, Pedro/Schilling/Lowe is better than Mussina/Brown/ and Vazquez. Let's face it, Mussina is overrated and has been ever since he signed with the Yankees. He did not have a good postseason last year, or really a good second half for that matter. And Lowe will have better numbers with Pokey Reese at second base and Millar at first for the whole year.
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Moose looked OK in Game 7 of the ALCS if I recall...
Low'es numbers have trended downward since his 1st year as a starter. He had the highest run support in the AL last year, so I would expect him to be much more of a 4.50 ERA, 14-11 kind of guy than 18 to 20 wins.
Any talk of the Sox repeating their career years is foolish Sux fan spin-doctoring; it just ain't gonna happen.
Pedro will be hard pressed to pitch 200 innings this year, and his head is so messed up against the Yankees he'll be a non-entity as usual.Comment
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