2013 Trade Deadline Thread

[JohnDoe8865]

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Bud Norris to Baltimore for L.J. Hoes and another piece, says Ken Rosenthal.

I like it for the O's.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Royals acquire Justin Maxwell from the Astros...

*Facepalm*

For Greg Holland?

I don't wanna get this thread off topic so this is the last I'll say.

The fact that you can give a pitcher x amount of saves and then flip them for good prospects makes them valuable. Teams don't have tons and tons of players at premium positions that they can trade and get a good return for. However, you can throw pitchers into that 9th inning role and get them saves and flip them quick. It's like the baseball equivalent of flipping a house, you take an ordinary relief pitcher with promise put him in the 9th inning role, he gets saves and thus he gets value.

Teams will pay for good closing pitchers. They typically won't cost much in terms of money and they're easy to replace. I won't go as far to say they grow on trees but it's not really that hard to find pitchers that can throw in the 9th inning.

I don't think most teams see "saves" as the desirable stat though. Sure, they like that a guy demonstrates he's not gonna poop his pants in the 9th, but they're looking at scouting reports, radar gun stuff, K/9, K/BB, BB/9, pitch charts, medicals, arm action, contract details all before they check how many saves a guy has.

The second bolded part is basically true and why closers don't command a huge haul. They're easy to find and replace and not that reliable as a long-term asset. I saw a stat that something like only 3 closers are still closing for their same team as of 3 years ago or something. Not 100% sure about the timeframe, but the gist is you can bank on a closer to perform for you for 1 year maybe 2 or 3 if lucky. Most end up like Hanrahan, Frank Francisco, Bailey, Farnsworth, Carlos Marmol, Axford, Brandon League, Heath Bell...etc...etc...

[WaitTilNextYear]

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A left handed minor league pitcher and a Comp B draft pick are the other two pieces, allegedly. Love the deal. Hoes can hit for average and get on base at a good rate, but has very little power and is an average fielder. His value would've been much higher had he been able to stick at 2B.

Man the O's are really piecemealing it this year. Feldman, K-Rod, and Norris. They didn't give up a ton in any case, but I almost wonder (as a non-O's fan, but as a fan that had grown sick of the 2 teams dominating that division) if getting Cliff Lee and just powering up would've been a better choice.

[royals19]

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For Greg Holland?



I don't think most teams see "saves" as the desirable stat though. Sure, they like that a guy demonstrates he's not gonna poop his pants in the 9th, but they're looking at scouting reports, radar gun stuff, K/9, K/BB, BB/9, pitch charts, medicals, arm action, contract details all before they check how many saves a guy has.

The second bolded part is basically true and why closers don't command a huge haul. They're easy to find and replace and not that reliable as a long-term asset. I saw a stat that something like only 3 closers are still closing for their same team as of 3 years ago or something. Not 100% sure about the timeframe, but the gist is you can bank on a closer to perform for you for 1 year maybe 2 or 3 if lucky. Most end up like Hanrahan, Frank Francisco, Bailey, Farnsworth, Carlos Marmol, Axford, Brandon League, Heath Bell...etc...etc...

I agree with the first paragraph and the second makes sense as well.

If it was Greg Holland for Justin Maxwell.... I don't even want to explore that alternative universe...

[BunnyHardaway]

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LHP the Orioles give up is Josh Hader...that makes me not like this as much.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I agree with the first paragraph and the second makes sense as well.

If it was Greg Holland for Justin Maxwell.... I don't even want to explore that alternative universe...

But then the flipside is, well, if closers are reliable and important in the short term (6-12 months or so), they should still have significant value for a team in a pennant chase, right? Teams may or may not consider how a guy like Papelbon will do for them in 2015 if their main focus is this year.

I think that's actually why you can see such a wide range of deals that happen for closers. Sometimes a team gets a pretty good haul for a closer and sometimes it's just meh.

[rdnk]

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I think that's actually why you can see such a wide range of deals that happen for closers. Sometimes a team gets a pretty good haul for a closer and sometimes it's just meh.

With there being an international draft now and being unable to overslot in the draft, the best way to rebuild by spending money is to sign a bullpen's worth of arms on 1 year deals (if they're still arb eligible or can get a team option, even better), and then ship them out at the deadline when teams need them due to injuries or whatever. Relievers are usually cost efficient enough to do this; teams with large payrolls can do it with starters and sluggers as well.

[SPTO]

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Ken Rosenthal reporting on MLB Network that Bud Norris to the Orioles is pretty much a done deal. Just doing some finalizing. L.J. Hoes and another player going to Houston.

Man...It's gonna be fun seeing the Rays, BoSox and O's duke it out down the stretch.

[Bard]

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Terrible deadline.

[rdnk]

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Probably a few more deals coming in (Drew Butera to the Dodgers!). That and we have the waiver deadline to look forward to.

[royals19]

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Terrible deadline.

If I had to bet, August is gonna be the month that it all happens. I think teams will have a better idea of where they sit then than they did now.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I blame Ruben Amaro!

[thefakeJTS]

I'm happy Atlanta didn't make a bold move.

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