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[Caulfield]

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...I think this is a stupid rule and isn't fixing anything. I'm glad they removed the 5-3 pickoff when they did, but this doesn't accomplish anything productive.

absolutely agree 100%, counterproductive

anything done that benefits offence prolongs games

anything that benefits defence shortens games

MLB wants their cake & eat it too, lotta offence, short games, but they're mutually exclusive

[Majingir]

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Agreed. Pickoff attempts are not an issue in my opinion.


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The amount of pickoffs to me does seem annoying at times, but what I think would be more fair to do would be that you're allowed 2 pickoff attempts, but after the 2nd, the pitch clock no longer resets.

So go ahead and pick off as many more times as you want, but if you don't pitch in time, that's on you.

[Jolly Roger]

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Gonna go off on a tangent here:

In my opinion, too much money and attention/importance have ruined sports, and I think this is part of the pace of play problem in baseball. Every member of the organization, from GMs to players and managers, are trying to get their 100% optimum performance out of every single action. Everything matters so much. I think this is part of why things take so long in between pitches, it's like a finicky golfer taking forever to make sure his shot is absolutely perfect.

There was a certain appeal to the old days when players would show up 10 pounds overweight to Spring Training and just work their way into shape. It'll work out, no need to worry about every little thing. Pitchers would get the ball, get the sign, throw the ball. Get it back, get the sign, throw the ball. No need to overthink every pitch, he knows what he's doing. Fastball is good today, just throw it by him, see if he can hit it. If we lose, no big deal, we've got 162 of these things. It's a ball game, not a U.N. security council meeting. I'm not saying players of yore didn't care about their performance, but every little decision wasn't exhaustively analyzed like it is today, or at least it doesn't seem like it was to me.

I don't think the old days coming back, so I guess they have to artificially enforce a quicker pace with a clock. So be it, I guess.

[canes21]

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If that's not looking at the past with rose tinted glasses, then I don't know what is lol

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[reyes the roof]

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I also wonder if that means more guys would try getting back to 1B if caught in a rundown. Imagine being caught in a rundown and safely getting back to to 1B, and the reward of the unsuccessful pickoff is you going to 2B.

I believe once you break to second it’s a stolen base attempt and no longer a pickoff

[steelerfan]

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As Jolly Roger said, so be it.

I try not to get twisted off by every change because they're out of my hands. If I really can't live with it, I'm free to quit watching and find something else to do with my time (maybe even something that matters instead of sports entertainment).

I'm not going to whine about no Premier League football this weekend and I'm not going to whine about rules changes in baseball. It's just entertainment and I have no say in what they decide so whining is only going to make me feel angry for nothing.

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[TripleCrown9]

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Game 3 of the 2018 World Series, that went 18 innings, lasted longer (7hours 20 minutes) than the entire 1939 World Series (7 hours 5 minutes).

[Blzer]

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The amount of pickoffs to me does seem annoying at times, but what I think would be more fair to do would be that you're allowed 2 pickoff attempts, but after the 2nd, the pitch clock no longer resets.

So go ahead and pick off as many more times as you want, but if you don't pitch in time, that's on you.

In fact, the more that I think about it, the more that I truly believe the pickoff rule is only in place to mitigate pitchers from resetting their clock over and over by stepping off. I'm sure of it, in fact. After all, catchers aren't restricted to how many times they can back-pick. It makes this an unintended consequence that they probably found early on in the minors and threw in the rule as a result. I think them doing what you're saying works okay in conjunction with the pitch clock.

And going back to my one-way lead thought, now I'm starting to think the other way: after two pickoff attempts, runners will get a bigger lead with a one-way lead back to first in order to try and draw a pickoff where they will be safe. Every so often if they feel ignored they could time it right and take second base with a much bigger lead.

If this is what baseball wants, then this is what they'll get. I'm very much not a fan, but would like to see how much this actually has an effect on the game. I'm watching the Giants game recording and just saw Logan Webb pick off twice in a row, and am wondering how things would change with the pitcher and runner mindset after that next year. Because this does happen.

Honestly, what's more likely to happen is you'll just see less pickoff attempts and probably more steal attempts after a pickoff. Maybe more pitch outs, too.

[Master Live 013]

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Whatever the optimal strategy is, the analytics departments are already working on it for next year :P



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[dubcity]

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They can still do pitch-outs right? It's not like after two pick off attempts the runner is free and clear.

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Something that was just brought up during the Mets game, if you want to reset the clock and not use a step off just signal that pitch com isn’t working

[Caulfield]

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They can still do pitch-outs right? It's not like after two pick off attempts the runner is free and clear.

yeah, but on the downside is an easy ball to take for the batter. if the runner isn't going. gonna be interested at the start of this new era until the analytics catch up to everything and then everybody plays the same 1 or 2 bland vanilla strategy

[Jr.]

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I haven't looked into the new rules, so maybe someone can answer this.

For the shift, is it literally the SS/2B just has to be on their side of 2B before the pitch, or are they implementing the pie slice idea from the Atlantic League?

If it's the first, that really isn't much of a change.

[Scott]

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I haven't looked into the new rules, so maybe someone can answer this.

For the shift, is it literally the SS/2B just has to be on their side of 2B before the pitch, or are they implementing the pie slice idea from the Atlantic League?

If it's the first, that really isn't much of a change.

The four infielders must be within the outer boundary of the infield when the pitcher is on the rubber.
Infielders may not switch sides. In other words, a team cannot reposition its best defender on the side of the infield the batter is more likely to hit the ball.
If the infielders are not aligned properly at the time of the pitch, the offense can choose an automatic ball or the result of the play.
This rule does not preclude a team from positioning an outfielder in the infield or in the shallow outfield grass in certain situations. But it does prohibit four-outfielder alignments.


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[dubcity]

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Will teams tell their players "as soon as the pitchers foot is off the rubber RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN into this shift position." Like, will they be standing like a runner waiting for the starting pistol for every pitch? I'm just trying to figure the ways teams will try to ruin what I want lol.