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until today, I didn't realise what a joke the MLB draft has become the last 10 years.
teams have 3 weeks to negotiate with drafted players. then if you don't want to play for pitiful franchise, if you're great enough, you can manage to hold out 1 month and a rich team can come in and sign. I'm assuming a team losing a pick that way receives compensation, but the haves can afford it, the have-nots can't. I mean, say the worst run franchise loses their #1 pick but can't afford him, that player goes where the grass is greener just 1 month later. the team losing their pick receives, what, a compensation pick later, that can hold out 1 month himself for a better deal too. a vicious circle that could repeat itself, once these youngsters eventually realise have so much more to gain by waiting 1 month before they are basically an immediate free agent. what in the hell am I missing here? honestly, someone please enlighten me

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Where did you get that info? Unless we’re talking about two different things the Mets failed to sign Kumar Rocker two years ago and he had to re-enter the draft the following year to get a new team

[Caulfield]

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Where did you get that info? Unless we’re talking about two different things the Mets failed to sign Kumar Rocker two years ago and he had to re-enter the draft the following year to get a new team

thank-you! this is the missing piece of info I didn't have. I didn't know they had to reenter the draft if they don't sign within 3 weeks. I feel better about the draft again now (thanks again), except one more piece I need clearing up. if a drafted player doesn't sign within 3 weeks, can he still negotiate with his drafting team for an extended period sometime before the next draft?

[reyes the roof]

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thank-you! this is the missing piece of info I didn't have. I didn't know they had to reenter the draft if they don't sign within 3 weeks. I feel better about the draft again now (thanks again), except one more piece I need clearing up. if a drafted player doesn't sign within 3 weeks, can he still negotiate with his drafting team for an extended period sometime before the next draft?

No once the deadline hits the team can no longer negotiate. I do believe the player could sign with an independent league team if he wanted to. The team that drafted the player will get an extra pick in that round the following year

[TripleCrown9]

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No once the deadline hits the team can no longer negotiate. I do believe the player could sign with an independent league team if he wanted to. The team that drafted the player will get an extra pick in that round the following year

If I remember correctly, isn't that exactly what Rocker did?

[Amoo316]

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If I remember correctly, isn't that exactly what Rocker did?

Yes and it's exactly how Texas ended up with BOTH Leiter and Rocker off of that stacked Vandy staff.

[Amoo316]

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thank-you! this is the missing piece of info I didn't have. I didn't know they had to reenter the draft if they don't sign within 3 weeks. I feel better about the draft again now (thanks again), except one more piece I need clearing up. if a drafted player doesn't sign within 3 weeks, can he still negotiate with his drafting team for an extended period sometime before the next draft?

It's worth mentioning, the draft has kind of turned into a "money slot" thing.

Think how the NFL has 5 year contracts for first rounders, then 4 year contracts for second rounders...etc. Typically the #1 pick signs for the most, then so on and so forth.....etc

MLB draft KINDA works in a similar way.

The #1 Pick is generally expected to be offer X, #2 Y, #3 Z....etc. MLB just calls them "slots or slot value". Now say you take a player who was expected to be picked in the 50s and pick him at 20. The team and the player will usually agree ahead of time and say, "Hey we'll take you at 20, but want to pay you like #40 or something like that." They agree and this is how teams "save money" in the draft, sometimes to use on another higher slot player and sometimes just to save money period.

It is extremely complicated and my scenario isn't exactly the best, but Oakland is notorious for doing exactly or similarly what I described above.

If I described this wrong or incorrectly, somebody please correct me. I'm not a draft enthusiast, I just follow it casually so that's my casual understanding.

[Master Live 013]

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Don't know if they still do it but that's pretty much how they described the A's front office conducting their business in Moneyball.

[Jr.]

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It's worth mentioning, the draft has kind of turned into a "money slot" thing.

Think how the NFL has 5 year contracts for first rounders, then 4 year contracts for second rounders...etc. Typically the #1 pick signs for the most, then so on and so forth.....etc

MLB draft KINDA works in a similar way.

The #1 Pick is generally expected to be offer X, #2 Y, #3 Z....etc. MLB just calls them "slots or slot value". Now say you take a player who was expected to be picked in the 50s and pick him at 20. The team and the player will usually agree ahead of time and say, "Hey we'll take you at 20, but want to pay you like #40 or something like that." They agree and this is how teams "save money" in the draft, sometimes to use on another higher slot player and sometimes just to save money period.

It is extremely complicated and my scenario isn't exactly the best, but Oakland is notorious for doing exactly or similarly what I described above.

If I described this wrong or incorrectly, somebody please correct me. I'm not a draft enthusiast, I just follow it casually so that's my casual understanding.

Yeah this is generally correct. Leverage plays a big part in the negotiations for draft picks. You'll see HS players who are top 15 picks drafted in the 5th round because teams don't think they can sign them. Or they'll draft a college senior in the first round because they have no negotiating power and teams can sign them under slot value and use the savings to try to sign a HS prospect out of their college commitment they draft in later rounds.

The mlb draft is different where players don't have to "declare" and therefore can get drafted but still be eligible to play in college.

Teams get a pool of money based on the picks they have and can use the money however they want to sign all of their picks

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[TripleCrown9]

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Posting from my phone so I can't provide the photos at this exact moment, but the Braves just unveiled their City Connect uniforms and they're fantastic.

Here's the official reveal dates of the teams this year.

Atlanta- March 27
Texas- April 17
Seattle- April 28
Cincinnati- May 15
Baltimore-. May 22
Pittsburgh- June 22

[Majingir]

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Another new rule that nobody knew was a thing is that coaches now have 15 seconds (down from 20) to decide if they want to challenge a play.

I wouldn't mind an extension of that. Umps have a certain time to check a replay and if they can't figure it out in that time, the play stands.

If it takes 5 minutes to determine if a guys foot was on a bag, maybe they shouldn't even bother with replay in those cases.

Replays should've been designed for the obvious missed calls like:

[LowerWolf]

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Braves city connect jerseys (and hat):



The inside of the back collar has "715" and the underneath of the bill of the cap has "Keep Swinging"

[Majingir]

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TB announces Devil Rays returning every Friday home games.

Reminds me of when the Black Jays had Flashback Friday and a few years later they brought back the real Blue Jays look full time.

[Sportsforever]

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Random Barry Bonds stat that is mind blowing: in 2004, Bonds won the batting title at .362, but he only had 373 at bats due to 232 walks (120 IBB). If Bonds had inexplicably gone 0-373 in his at bats, he still would have been 10th in the NL in OBP at .391...

[dubcity]

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Random Barry Bonds stat that is mind blowing: in 2004, Bonds won the batting title at .362, but he only had 373 at bats due to 232 walks (120 IBB). If Bonds had inexplicably gone 0-373 in his at bats, he still would have been 10th in the NL in OBP at .391...

The .600 OBP is still the most insane stat ever. Even .500 feels impossible.

[Majingir]

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https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/2613849

Manfred open to a salary cap of some sort?

I wouldn't have a hard cap like we see in hockey, that's ruined things big time for that league (major markets being anchored by the weak ones which has hurt the potential growth in revenue). But maybe some bigger tax hits on teams over the luxury tax?

And also, have a revenue sharing floor (I'd say 40% less than the prior years league average or median (whichever is lower)). So if the average is 115m and median is 105m, the 105m number is used and 40% less than that is 63m.

Using last years payroll numbers, 4 teams would be under that.


If you're under that, you don't get revenue sharing. If you need revenue sharing that badly that you cant spend that percentage, maybe you shouldn't own the team (or the team shouldn't be in that market if you can't spend close to half the amount the middling team can spend).

NHL teams have found workarounds like retained salary transactions where a bottom of the league team retains salary so they get to the floor and the other team has a smaller payroll hit, and all it costs is a pick (or prospect in MLBs case).