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  • kehlis
    Moderator
    • Jul 2008
    • 27738

    #4081
    Re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by The Kid 24
    I can't imagine MLB would actually let this happen before Oakland and Tampa get a new stadium?

    Why would they care?

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    • WaitTilNextYear
      Go Cubs Go
      • Mar 2013
      • 16830

      #4082
      Re: MLB Off-Topic

      Originally posted by The Kid 24
      I can't imagine MLB would actually let this happen before Oakland and Tampa get a new stadium?
      I think if it were just up to MLB, both Oakland and Tampa Bay would've relocated already. As it stands, the Giants are blocking Oakland from moving anywhere that makes sense (this is largely out of MLB's control) and the St. Pete Rays are hamstrung by their stadium lease agreement/fines/litigation. MLB is not preventing either team from moving...other factors are.

      In the case of Arizona, even though their ballpark is in no way as shabby as Oakland's or St. Pete's, it may still be easier depending on them already owning territorial rights to anywhere around Phoenix (thus avoiding Oakland's issue) and depending on if their lease has been violated by another party (thus potentially avoiding the Rays' issue).

      If it's simply a matter of fundraising, that greatly simplifies the process of getting a new park.

      Personally, I kinda like their park and hope the issue gets resolved with some funds for maintenance, but we'll see.
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      • Steven78
        Banned
        • Apr 2013
        • 7240

        #4083
        Re: MLB Off-Topic

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        • The Kid 24
          It's Show Time!
          • Jan 2007
          • 14762

          #4084
          Re: MLB Off-Topic

          Originally posted by kehlis
          Why would they care?
          They don't have any say over stadiums? Oakland and Tampa badly need something new before Arizona gets a new one.
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          • 55
            Banned
            • Mar 2006
            • 20857

            #4085
            Re: MLB Off-Topic

            Originally posted by The Kid 24
            They don't have any say over stadiums? Oakland and Tampa badly need something new before Arizona gets a new one.
            One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

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            • The Kid 24
              It's Show Time!
              • Jan 2007
              • 14762

              #4086
              Re: MLB Off-Topic

              Originally posted by 55
              One has absolutely nothing to do with the other.
              Ah ok... I wasn't sure.

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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #4087
                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                Originally posted by The Kid 24
                They don't have any say over stadiums? Oakland and Tampa badly need something new before Arizona gets a new one.
                Originally posted by The Kid 24
                Ah ok... I wasn't sure.

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                MLB has *some* say over stadiums, but for the most part this 'say' is only exerted when teams relocate from one market to another along with getting a new stadium. Clubs have been known to police each other over territorial infringement (i.e. when the Expos changed into the Nats and moved into Baltimore's "turf", an agreement that satisfied Peter Angelos...O's owner...had to be made) and MLB can really only help facilitate in making a deal to avoid litigation here.

                In addition to this, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the owners also have to approve of relocation bids (3/4 majority in NL and simple majority in AL for an NL club to move), but this is, again, only when relocation to another market occurs (for example, the Braves didn't have to get MLB approval to go to Cobb County and build SunTrust Park).

                MLB doesn't give new stadium funds to teams directly (although there is revenue sharing); the most MLB can do is saber-rattle and help lobby for taxpayer $$$ not being put up by the team's ownership. So in some ways, follow the money to its source to figure out where the 'control' really is with new stadiums. Oftentimes, it's state and local governments pulling the levers of power there.

                There are also specific codes that an MLB ballpark needs to conform to (which is standardized according to best engineering practices and amenities to some degree), and the building codes are set by all kinds of different regulatory entities, but each team has a lot of leeway to build the ballpark the way they want it, when they want it and so forth without oversight by MLB.

                So to summarize, the D'Backs aren't looking to relocate so the MLB voting process for relocation wouldn't apply to them. All they need to do is find a billion dollars on the side of the road to build a totally new stadium if they want to.
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                • The Kid 24
                  It's Show Time!
                  • Jan 2007
                  • 14762

                  #4088
                  Re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  MLB has *some* say over stadiums, but for the most part this 'say' is only exerted when teams relocate from one market to another along with getting a new stadium. Clubs have been known to police each other over territorial infringement (i.e. when the Expos changed into the Nats and moved into Baltimore's "turf", an agreement that satisfied Peter Angelos...O's owner...had to be made) and MLB can really only help facilitate in making a deal to avoid litigation here.

                  In addition to this, if I'm not mistaken, I believe the owners also have to approve of relocation bids (3/4 majority in NL and simple majority in AL for an NL club to move), but this is, again, only when relocation to another market occurs (for example, the Braves didn't have to get MLB approval to go to Cobb County and build SunTrust Park).

                  MLB doesn't give new stadium funds to teams directly (although there is revenue sharing); the most MLB can do is saber-rattle and help lobby for taxpayer $$$ not being put up by the team's ownership. So in some ways, follow the money to its source to figure out where the 'control' really is with new stadiums. Oftentimes, it's state and local governments pulling the levers of power there.

                  There are also specific codes that an MLB ballpark needs to conform to (which is standardized according to best engineering practices and amenities to some degree), and the building codes are set by all kinds of different regulatory entities, but each team has a lot of leeway to build the ballpark the way they want it, when they want it and so forth without oversight by MLB.

                  So to summarize, the D'Backs aren't looking to relocate so the MLB voting process for relocation wouldn't apply to them. All they need to do is find a billion dollars on the side of the road to build a totally new stadium if they want to.
                  Thanks, I understand it now.

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                  • Sportsforever
                    NL MVP
                    • Mar 2005
                    • 20368

                    #4089
                    Re: MLB Off-Topic

                    Holy deal that never happened...did anyone else see the story in the Boston Globe today? According to the Globe back in 1997 Jeffrey Loria offered the Yankees Pedro and Vlad for Jeter straight up. New York declined and the rest is history...but can you imagine if that actually happened?

                    What would Jeter's legacy be toiling away in the obscurity of Montreal? Pedro and Vlad as Yankees? Good heavens...
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                    • TripleCrown9
                      Keep the Faith
                      • May 2010
                      • 23663

                      #4090
                      Re: MLB Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by Sportsforever
                      Holy deal that never happened...did anyone else see the story in the Boston Globe today? According to the Globe back in 1997 Jeffrey Loria offered the Yankees Pedro and Vlad for Jeter straight up. New York declined and the rest is history...but can you imagine if that actually happened?

                      What would Jeter's legacy be toiling away in the obscurity of Montreal? Pedro and Vlad as Yankees? Good heavens...
                      I believe Pedro mentioned it in his book, but I can remember for certain.
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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #4091
                        Re: MLB Off-Topic

                        Originally posted by Sportsforever
                        Holy deal that never happened...did anyone else see the story in the Boston Globe today? According to the Globe back in 1997 Jeffrey Loria offered the Yankees Pedro and Vlad for Jeter straight up. New York declined and the rest is history...but can you imagine if that actually happened?

                        What would Jeter's legacy be toiling away in the obscurity of Montreal? Pedro and Vlad as Yankees? Good heavens...
                        Jeter would be a footnote in history....Okay, not that bad but he would definitely be viewed a lot differently than he is today. Man, Pedro and Vlad in the Yankees uniform....That's pretty damn scary.
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                        • TheMatrix31
                          RF
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 52897

                          #4092
                          Re: MLB Off-Topic

                          I mean, how much scarier could it really be? This was supposed to happen in 1997? With Jeter they won 1998-2000 and lost on the final at-bat of a Game 7 in 2001. How much more would they have been able to do anyway? Not like they really missed out on opportunities lol

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                          • Sportsforever
                            NL MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 20368

                            #4093
                            Re: MLB Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                            I mean, how much scarier could it really be? This was supposed to happen in 1997? With Jeter they won 1998-2000 and lost on the final at-bat of a Game 7 in 2001. How much more would they have been able to do anyway? Not like they really missed out on opportunities lol
                            I wasn't thinking of it from a "Yankees so scary" perspective as how it changes the perceptions/legacies of those players. If Jeter plays in Montreal and Vlad is a Yankee...would be fascinating.
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                            • TheMatrix31
                              RF
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 52897

                              #4094
                              Re: MLB Off-Topic

                              Oh I know. Just touching on what SPTO was saying.

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                              • SPTO
                                binging
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 68046

                                #4095
                                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by TheMatrix31
                                I mean, how much scarier could it really be? This was supposed to happen in 1997? With Jeter they won 1998-2000 and lost on the final at-bat of a Game 7 in 2001. How much more would they have been able to do anyway? Not like they really missed out on opportunities lol
                                Oh I know, I meant scary in terms of how much those two would be jammed down our throats as the greatest to play in their generation. It's definitely worthy praise and I think Vlad could've used that kind of publicity for sure moreso than Pedro.

                                I guess it's just scary for me to think of seeing those guys 14 or so times a year as a Blue Jays fan.
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