MLB Off-Topic

[redsox4evur]

MLB Off-Topic

Should be Fulmer/Seager for ROY, Verlander/Scherzer for Cy Young, and Betts/Bryant for MVP. And Francona/Roberts for Manager.


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[Qdiddy]

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Man, I was just thinking how great the past 15 years have been for the World Series.



2001- Diamondbacks win first title

2002- Angels win first title

2004- Red Sox win first title in 86 years

2005- White Sox win first title in 88 years

2006- Cardinals win first title in 24 years

2008- Phillies win first title in 28 years

2010- Giants win first title in 56 years

2013- Red Sox win first title at Fenway in 95 years

2015- Royals win first title in 30 years

2016- Cubs win first title in 108 years

It has been an amazing run, it's sad that the same idiot group of talking sports heads year after year tout the false notion of parity in football and not in Baseball, as MLB with less teams in its playoff structure has the higher turn around rate and more teams winning titles then football. I love both sports but I'm tired of hearing how baseball is dying, ratings alone as a barometer is ancient. The game is as strong as I can ever remember it, and with all the young great talent flooding in its getting better every year


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[BleacherBum2310]

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oh gee can't wait to see Trout finish 2nd and see the outrageous reasons why... that should be fun.

[ShowTyme15]

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oh gee can't wait to see Trout finish 2nd and see the outrageous reasons why... that should be fun.

The only reason would be the fact that the Angels blow............hard.

[redsox4evur]

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Here let's lay out all the stats for Betts and Trout:

Trout: .315 AVG, 173 H, 32 2B, 5 3B, 29 HR, 100 RBI, .441 OBP, .550 SLG, .991 OPS, 174 OPS+, wRC+ 171, oWAR 9.9, dWAR 1.0, WAR 10.6 (don't ask me how just going by BBref's #'s)

Betts: .318 AVG, 214 H, 42 2B, 5 3B, 31 HR, 113 RBI, .363 OBP, .534 SLG, .897 OPS, 131 OPS, 135 wRC +, oWAR 6.2, dWAR 2.8 WAR 9.6

Trout has all the edge in the flashy new sabermetrics stats, outside of dWAR. But Betts has the edge in all of the old age stats outside of triples. So it's not like either guy is going to be screwed if they lost.

[BleacherBum2310]

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The only reason would be the fact that the Angels blow............hard.

Yup that's the one they'll give and it's not valid at all in this conversation.

[ubernoob]

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Yup that's the one they'll give and it's not valid at all in this conversation.

Nope, but trout getting screwed is a yearly thing now along with death and taxes. It shouldn't be close at all but I think we've all already accepted that he will lose.

[redsox4evur]

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Nope, but trout getting screwed is a yearly thing now along with death and taxes. It shouldn't be close at all but I think we've all already accepted that he will lose.

Looking at the stats why shouldn't it be close? I can see both sides of the argument. Would it be great to see Betts win, yea it would be. But I also wouldn't be pissed if Trout won unless it was a landslide.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Here let's lay out all the stats for Betts and Trout:

Trout: .315 AVG, 173 H, 32 2B, 5 3B, 29 HR, 100 RBI, .441 OBP, .550 SLG, .991 OPS, 174 OPS+, wRC+ 171, oWAR 9.9, dWAR 1.0, WAR 10.6 (don't ask me how just going by BBref's #'s)

Betts: .318 AVG, 214 H, 42 2B, 5 3B, 31 HR, 113 RBI, .363 OBP, .534 SLG, .897 OPS, 131 OPS, 135 wRC +, oWAR 6.2, dWAR 2.8 WAR 9.6

Trout has all the edge in the flashy new sabermetrics stats, outside of dWAR. But Betts has the edge in all of the old age stats outside of triples. So it's not like either guy is going to be screwed if they lost.

don't wanna rehash this again but unless you truly believe a 1 year sample of defensive metrics makes up the big gap in offensive #s It's clear. no one would be say "getting screwed" but It's more of what you expect.

[redsox4evur]

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don't wanna rehash this again but unless you truly believe a 1 year sample of defensive metrics makes up the big gap in offensive #s It's clear. no one would be say "getting screwed" but It's more of what you expect.

Why does it being a 1 year sample matter in this case? I'm not trying to say Betts is a better fielder overall, just was this year.

[BleacherBum2310]

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Why does it being a 1 year sample matter in this case? I'm not trying to say Betts is a better fielder overall, just was this year.

oh he's the better the fielder I'm not denying that It's just by how much because Trout has the clear advantage offensively.

[AC]

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Looking at the stats why shouldn't it be close? I can see both sides of the argument. Would it be great to see Betts win, yea it would be. But I also wouldn't be pissed if Trout won unless it was a landslide.

Why does Betts having, idk, 10 more doubles, offset Trout providing a full win more to his team?

[ubernoob]

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Why does Betts having, idk, 10 more doubles, offset Trout providing a full win more to his team?

because it's new age mumbo jumbo that doesn't support a Red Sox

[SPTO]

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Bannister should win AL MOY simply due to the fact that the Rangers had a horrible run differential.

[Master Live 013]

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By WAR:

Baseball Reference:

• Trout 10.6
• Betts 9.6

Fangraphs:

• Trout 9.4
• Betts 7.8

Baseball Prospectus:

• Trout 8.72
• Betts 6.91