MLB Off-Topic

[Trapper700]

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Women lying to manipulate the system and grab cash from a wealthy man?

I can't possibly understand why anyone would believe that!

I'd be shocked if the "5-10%" figure stood consistent when all the schmucks making 25k a year are thrown out. Maybe it does but I'd guess that the rate of false claims increases as the accused's income level hits certain thresholds.

Oh so you have no actual evidence or data to add to the discussion other than to make a bold claim based on preconceived biases and calling actual research data "fake news"? Okay

[DamnYanks2]

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This is a ridiculous line of thought. False accusations about rape and sexual assault are incredibly rare and anyone making an allegation of any kind risks public scrutiny on themselves in a system determined to silence them at all costs. Maybe it isn't quite so unreasonable to take the accusers seriously and feel sympathy for them.

There are literally a consensus of studies by researchers and prosecutors based on court precedings vs. (non-legal) public allegation that agree with me here.

A 2006 Cambridge study found the judicial and academic understanding about the prevalence of false accusations was woefully inconsistent and unsubstantiated, often conflating "false" with "not charged" "dismissed" "unsubstantiated" or any of the various other reasons that a rape accusation would not lead to a criminal conviction. Since then, studies with more precise methodology tend to put the rate of rape allegations that turn out to be false between 2 and 10%.

Also the prosecution for false allegations is so f'ed up a woman in the U.K. was charged for making false allegations after her husband raped her, she reported it, tried to withdraw the charges, was told she couldn't, then said she lied, and then it turned out she was lying about lying and actually had been raped but just wanted the charges dropped. in the course of becoming aware of problems like these and attempting to correct them, prosecutorial bodies have acknowledged both the scarcity and preponderance of mitigating circumstances surrounding false allegations.

False crime reports are the same or less with rape/sexual assaults than with homicide, burglary or drug crimes. But why are only victims of sexual assaults the ones who are routinely accused of making their stories up? They're the only ones treated with suspicion compared to victims of other kinds of crime.

Look man I'm not saying he's innocent but I'm not saying he's guilty either. I said I will wait for the evidence.

Forgive me if I don't believe every single female that accuses someone of raping them and immediately take their side.

The rape allegations against Kobe, Duke Lacrosse, Jameis all turned out to be a BS. Those ladies were indeed trying to cash in.

You can throw your figures out the window. Let's just see what actually come of this. All I'm saying.

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[steelerfan]

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Oh so you have no actual evidence or data to add to the discussion other than to make a bold claim based on preconceived biases and calling actual research data "fake news"? Okay

Do you have evidence of the rate when the accused's income is 7 figures or more?

If you do, present it. I'll gladly side with what it says. Obviously, the rate of false claims is going to be low when there isn't anything to gain from making the claims. When there is something to gain, common sense says the rate would increase.

Rather than your "I won the internet with data" claim leading you to put the words "fake news" in my mouth, perhaps you should consider that your data may not apply to the filthy rich.

[PhilliesFan13]

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This is amazing.

http://www.khou.com/mobile/article/sports/mlb/astros/houston-artist-makes-jose-altuve-portrait-with-legos/504648541

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[countryboy]

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That is awesome!

[DieHardYankee26]

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Look man I'm not saying he's innocent but I'm not saying he's guilty either. I said I will wait for the evidence.

Forgive me if I don't believe every single female that accuses someone of raping them and immediately take their side.

The rape allegations against Kobe, Duke Lacrosse, Jameis all turned out to be a BS. Those ladies were indeed trying to cash in.
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Did they though?

[SPTO]

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This is amazing.

http://www.khou.com/mobile/article/sports/mlb/astros/houston-artist-makes-jose-altuve-portrait-with-legos/504648541

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This is awesome stuff right here especially using the throwback unis.

[Trapper700]

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Do you have evidence of the rate when the accused's income is 7 figures or more?

If you do, present it. I'll gladly side with what it says. Obviously, the rate of false claims is going to be low when there isn't anything to gain from making the claims. When there is something to gain, common sense says the rate would increase.

Rather than your "I won the internet with data" claim leading you to put the words "fake news" in my mouth, perhaps you should consider that your data may not apply to the filthy rich.

You're the one who brought up the argument that it's common for rich men to be targeted by women with fake allegations as simply a "cash grab." The onus of proof is on you for your own side of the argument. And because you can't substantiate it and insisting that I prove your own point for you, you're likely the one making stuff up. You literally dismissed any data I presented just because it doesn't fit with your narrative, which is why I'm saying you called it "fake news".

Look man I'm not saying he's innocent but I'm not saying he's guilty either. I said I will wait for the evidence.

Forgive me if I don't believe every single female that accuses someone of raping them and immediately take their side.

The rape allegations against Kobe, Duke Lacrosse, Jameis all turned out to be a BS. Those ladies were indeed trying to cash in.

You can throw your figures out the window. Let's just see what actually come of this. All I'm saying.

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All the evidence is against Kobe and Jameis, so I'm not sure why they're even mentioned as being "BS". The fact that you think that they're innocent is part of the problem. The Duke Lacrosse scandal happened mainly because there was a DA up for election and he manipulated facts in a quest for power. That being said, a single isolated incident being touted as proof that this happens all the time is unfair to all the victims who actually had the courage to come forward.

And regarding Sano specifically, you seem to have glossed over my second post that shows that this is a repeated pattern of behavior with him, so he should definitely not be getting the benefit of doubt here.

[steelerfan]

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You're the one who brought up the argument that it's common for rich men to be targeted by women with fake allegations as simply a "cash grab." The onus of proof is on you for your own side of the argument. And because you can't substantiate it and insisting that I prove your own point for you, you're likely the one making stuff up. You literally dismissed any data I presented just because it doesn't fit with your narrative, which is why I'm saying you called it "fake news".

So you providing data that is heavily watered down by cases involving the common man is evidence.

Me saying that there is no data that pinpoints cases where a "cash grab" is seemingly more likely is me making stuff up and following a narrative.

Gotcha.

You don't know me at all. I'm very much a freethinker. I go where the evidence takes me. Your "evidence" is worthless. Data and statistics are only valuable if they are applied properly.

If you drive or ride in a car, you are exponentially more likely to be injured or killed in a car accident. No ****, Sherlock.

Go on back to imright.com and gather more stats that support your narrative.

[Trapper700]

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Me saying that there is no data that pinpoints cases where a "cash grab" is seemingly more likely is me making stuff up and following a narrative.

That's exactly what it is. You specifically made a claim with no evidence or data that disproves my own and demanded that I prove it for you. You've obviously never heard of burden of proof.

If you're so sure that women are only looking for a cash grab and frequently falsely accuse rich men with rape, then prove it. Can you even give me any examples of incidents that support your claim that happened in the last year? Last 5 years? Last 10?

[steelerfan]

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That's exactly what it is. You specifically made a claim with no evidence or data that disproves my own and demanded that I prove it for you. You've obviously never heard of burden of proof.

If you're so sure that women are only looking for a cash grab and frequently falsely accuse rich men with rape, then prove it. Can you even give me any examples of incidents that support your claim that happened in the last year? Last 5 years? Last 10?

That's where you're completely wrong. Completely. I never made any claim. I simply said that your numbers are not applicable.

I've also said things like "I may be wrong" and if there's a study that shows I'm wrong I'll gladly go with the evidence. Despite this, you continually try to paint me as someone who has an agenda. That's not the case.

To be honest, you are the one who is making bad data fit your narrative. You want to be an SJW for rape victims? Cool. Knock yourself out, there are worse things you could be. For me, personally, I'm going with my gut until evidence takes me elsewhere.

[countryboy]

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*checks thread title*

[SPTO]

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*checks thread title*

This is what happens when the market is like this:

[ShowTyme15]

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Good read on Daniel Bard who just retired the other day.

https://www.sbnation.com/mlb/2018/1/4/16797700/daniel-bard-retirement

[WaitTilNextYear]

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In the interest of getting back to MLB Off Topic instead of MLB Off Off Topic, I present ground-quaking hot stove news. Yes, we all knew this would happen at some point this offseason, but I doubt any of us were prepared for the magnitude of this announcement: the Twins have shown interest in Chris Tillman. Not saying they're gonna sign him; let's not get ahead of ourselves here...

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/01/twins-have-shown-interest-in-chris-tillman.html

Now should this go in hot stove? Absolutely. But, I was too excited and clicked on this thread first.