MLB Off-Topic

[Money99]

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Terrible example of a player to call mentally weak.

But how do we know?
What if he's forced to stay in the box and not given infinite time between each pitch and his BA drops 50+ points?
That would mean he's mentally weak.


For the record I'm only using Pedroia as an example since he's a human rain delay.
He might be just as good with restraints as without.

I'm just tired of hearing players whine about how much time they need between pitches.
Literally tens of thousands of players before this generation managed to play the game well without it.
Today's athletes are baby's.

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[BleacherBum2310]

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I read Hank Aaron's biography and a 12-inning game in 1957, the game lasted 2hrs, 34min. It was the 2nd longest game of the season.

These players of today have gotten soft and spoiled with all the pomp they're allowed to abuse.

If Pedroia needs 18s between pitches to stretch his face and check his straps to be effective then he's mentally weak and should retire.

I'm all for removing all the unnecessary fluff that players love to abuse.
The Cubs and Nationals engaged in two playoff games that lastest 4 and 4.5 hours in 9 inning games!
That is absolutely ridiculous.

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It's almost like baseball today is a whole different ballgame now even with a complete overhaul and how they play the game or speed it up 2 Hours and 30 Minutes as an average length is just not remotely possible.

2 of the greatest games in recent memory have taken over 5 Hours and 4 Hours and 30 Minutes with WS Game 5 and WS game 7 of the last 2 years.

so the Pitch Clock is probably not going to be a big deal in the long run but it's just the little things that Manfred is so obsessed with pace of play that leads me to worry. He's so bad.

[Jr.]

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I read Hank Aaron's biography and a 12-inning game in 1957, the game lasted 2hrs, 34min. It was the 2nd longest game of the season.

These players of today have gotten soft and spoiled with all the pomp they're allowed to abuse.

If Pedroia needs 18s between pitches to stretch his face and check his straps to be effective then he's mentally weak and should retire.

I'm all for removing all the unnecessary fluff that players love to abuse.
The Cubs and Nationals engaged in two playoff games that lastest 4 and 4.5 hours in 9 inning games!
That is absolutely ridiculous.

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I'm sure the lack of commercial breaks and the complete difference in the use of the bullpen explain the majority of the time difference, rather than players somehow being "soft" because they step out of the box between pitches.

[kehlis]

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I'm sure the lack of commercial breaks and the complete difference in the use of the bullpen explain the majority of the time difference, rather than players somehow being "soft" because they step out of the box between pitches.

Also the reality that batters are working deeper and deeper counts as the years have moved on.


I hate any pace of play idea.

I could maybe get used to the clock as much as I hate it.

But the way the "mound visit" rule was stated above is ludicrous.


What happens if a middle infielder or the catcher is getting crossed up on signs but the pitching coach has already made a mound visit.

They can not convene to correct that now or the pitcher has to go? That absolutely nonsensical.

[Money99]

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I'm sure the lack of commercial breaks and the complete difference in the use of the bullpen explain the majority of the time difference, rather than players somehow being "soft" because they step out of the box between pitches.

Agreed. But you can't deny that pitchers and hitters take more time between pitches than in previous eras.

I don't really care as much about the length of games, but I can't stomach watching guys delay games.
Some pitchers today would probably love to have a lawn chair on the mound.


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[TripleCrown9]

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In 1910, the Mobile Sea Gulls and Atlanta Crackers played a full 9-inning game that only took 32 minutes.

In 1919, the Phillies and Giants played a full game that lasted only 51 minutes.

Things change.

[Blzer]

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In 1910, the Mobile Sea Gulls and Atlanta Crackers played a full 9-inning game that only took 32 minutes.

You couldn't do that in a slow pitch game if every pitch was hit for an out and they sprinted between half-innings without warmups. How the hell is that possible?

Anyway, my point was never that games back when were four hours long or anything. My point is that when there is something that I love, I want it to last as long as it can. That, and if it takes speeding the game up to get more people to like the game, then it's likely they don't really much like the game in the first place.

It's like that quote from The Social Network: "If you guys were the inventors of Facebook... you would have invented Facebook."

[TripleCrown9]

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You couldn't do that in a slow pitch game if every pitch was hit for an out and they sprinted between half-innings without warmups. How the hell is that possible?

Anyway, my point was never that games back when were four hours long or anything. My point is that when there is something that I love, I want it to last as long as it can. That, and if it takes speeding the game up to get more people to like the game, then it's likely they don't really much like the game in the first place.

It's like that quote from The Social Network: "If you guys were the inventors of Facebook... you would have invented Facebook."

Here's a full write-up.

http://sabr.org/research/was-quick

[Jr.]

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Agreed. But you can't deny that pitchers and hitters take more time between pitches than in previous eras.

I don't really care as much about the length of games, but I can't stomach watching guys delay games.
Some pitchers today would probably love to have a lawn chair on the mound.


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I honestly don't know if they take more time or not. I think people take for granted how much there is to think about between pitches for hitters.

[TheMatrix31]

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They want more offense and superstars then they bitch that games are going too long and too slow.

[CMH]

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I'm sure the lack of commercial breaks and the complete difference in the use of the bullpen explain the majority of the time difference, rather than players somehow being "soft" because they step out of the box between pitches.

MLB Network did a study on this. Granted it was a small sample of two games.

The games had the same amount of pitches thrown. Same amount of pitchers used. Same score. Same hits.

Except the more current game was like 1.5 hours longer than the old 60s game.

They checked commercial breaks. The current game had about an extra 15 minutes or something. They also checked in game action. Nearly identical.

I think at the end it came down to about 45 min of dead air no one could attribute to anything.

It was interesting. I need to find a clip.

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[CMH]

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I got some details wrong. It was an 80s game vs. 2014. It was 35 min of unknown dead air.

Sbnation wrote an article about it.

http://www.sbnation.com/a/mlb-2017-season-preview/game-length

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[Money99]

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I got some details wrong. It was an 80s game vs. 2014. It was 35 min of unknown dead air.

Sbnation wrote an article about it.

http://www.sbnation.com/a/mlb-2017-season-preview/game-length

Very interesting.

Time between pitches is the primary villain. I tallied up all the pitches in both games that we’ll call inaction pitches — pitches that resulted in a ball, called strike, or swinging strike, but didn’t result in the end of an at-bat or the advancement of a runner. These are the pitches where the catcher caught the ball and threw it back to the pitcher, whose next step was to throw it back to the catcher. Foul balls didn’t count. The fourth ball of a plate appearance didn’t count. Stolen bases didn’t count. Wild pitches didn’t count. Just the pitches where contact wasn’t made, and the pitcher received a return throw from the catcher.

There were 146 inaction pitches in the 1984 game.

There were 144 of these pitches in the 2014 game.

The total time for the inaction pitches in 1984 — the elapsed time between a pitcher releasing one pitch and his release of the next pitch — was 32 minutes and 47 seconds.

The total time for inaction pitches in 2014 was 57 minutes and 41 seconds.

25 minutes. 25 friggin minutes of nobody doing anything but standing around 'preparing' for the next pitch.

If that's the case, then absolutely there needs to be changes to force players to stop lolly-gagging.

There is no need for all that dead time because hitters want to readjust their batting gloves several times between pitches.

If every pitcher and hitter worked like Burhle and Gattis, the average game would be 2.5 hours. Maybe less.

[CMH]

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I'm sensitive to baseball being a game that is played at it's own pace. I understand how games can have an impact on the standings, success and eventually contracts for individual players.

So I'm not flat out saying guys need to hurry the **** up, but we watch the games and it's clear that guys take their time. Maybe a little too much time.

And it is in MLB's best interest to fix it now then to wait until it becomes a really big problem. By that I mean a new generation of player that takes a full minute between pitches.

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[Money99]

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I'm sensitive to baseball being a game that is played at it's own pace. I understand how games can have an impact on the standings, success and eventually contracts for individual players.

So I'm not flat out saying guys need to hurry the **** up, but we watch the games and it's clear that guys take their time. Maybe a little too much time.

And it is in MLB's best interest to fix it now then to wait until it becomes a really big problem. By that I mean a new generation of player that takes a full minute between pitches.

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Totally agree.
I don't check my watch when I go to a ball game, or watch one on TV.
But there is absolutely no reason for batters or pitchers to take that much time between pitches.
The NBA instituted the shot clock for a reason - it was after an NBA Finals ended with a 19-18 score and the fans left in droves because of the amount of inaction.

https://www.si.com/nba/2017/08/28/nba-shot-clock-history-invention-leo-ferris-george-mikan

And that's all MLB and Manfred are trying to eliminate - needless inaction. And it most certainly is needless.