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Guts trying to come up with a stat that gives a sense of how many plays good or bad a player is involved in
I tried taking (PO+A+R+H+RBI+SB+BB+IBB+HBP)/(G+CS+SO+E)
What I want to try to quantify is guys who may not be great at any one thing but always have an impact on a game one way or another basically a guts/gamer guy who is going to be involved even if he is 0/5. I want to find the gritty/effort players and have a stat that shows the impact they have. For a few comparisons I ran Bonds 1993 MVP season vs imo the best season ever by a Guts guy Lenny Dykstra 1993 he was runner up in MVP. I've also included recent MVP Trout against Mickey Morandini to see how he stacks up as well. This needs a lot of work obviously and I am open to all suggestions how to make it better. I am looking for a measure of involvement not necessarily impact of involvement obviously a HR has more impact than a walk. I then ran a part timer in Mike Redmond and his score was obviously too high I need to find a better way to put defense into the equation. I would also like to add effort stats like Runs saved and created but I don't know where to find those.
Barry Bonds 1993 MVP
159 Games
12 Caught Stealing
79 Strikeouts
5 Errors
310 putouts
7 Assists
129 Runs
181 Hits
123 RBI
29 SB
126 BB
43 IBB
2 HBP
Guts = 3.7
Lenny Dykstra 1993
161 Games
12 Caught Stealing
64 Strikeouts
10 Errors
469 Putouts
3 Assists
143 Runs
194 Hits
37 SB
129 BB
9 IBB
2 HBP
Guts = 3.99
Mike Trout 2014 MVP
157 Games
2 CS
184 Strikeouts
3 Errors
383 Putouts
4 Assists
115 Runs
173 Hits
111 RBI
16 SB
83 BB
6 IBB
10 HBP
Guts = 2.6
Mickey Morandini 1995
127 Games
6 Caught Stealing
80 Strikeouts
7 Errors
269 Putouts
337 Assists
65 Runs
140 Hits
9 SB
42 BB
3 IBB
10 HBP
Guts = 3.97
Mike Redmond 2007
82 Games
0 CS
23 Strikeouts
0 Errors
385 Putouts
24 Assists
23 Runs
80 Hits
38 RBI
0 SB
18 BB
3 IBB
5 HBP
Guts = 5.4Last edited by Nails4; 12-16-2014, 12:29 PM.Comment
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Your formula is missing Puntos (sliding headfirst into 1st base).Comment
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Well, the way you have your formula set up, you would never have a negative value. The worst seasons according to your stat would approach zero.Comment
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Woudn't some sort of tangible variable regarding team output be required to truly get an accurate stat? Plus, I'm not sure the denominator value is a collection of correlated variables.
I'd have to really sit down and take a look at each variable accordingly, but just looking briefly, we can see that strikeouts have WAY too large of a negative effect on the stat and that that value lacks context.Cubs | Bulls | Dolphins | 'Noles
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I think in the context a Strikeout is one of the worst plays a "Gamer" can have when the ball is not even being put in play you are not forcing the defense to make a play. I was thinking of maybe ways to tier the importance but I don't know. The main components I want to highlight are Speed,Defense,Contact,Plate Discipline and Effort which is hard to put into a stat. A player like Nori Aoki should stand out, high pitch counts every AB, contact (hes going to put the ball in play),speed. Pretty much how most lead off hitters were in the 80's into the mid 90's. The top of the order and bottom of the order guys whose jobs were to put the ball in play or get on base or sacrifice. Those are Guts guys IMO.
Like I said though I'm open to any suggestions because I know it is very wrong in its current state.
I just thought of a decent effort stat infield hitsLast edited by Nails4; 12-17-2014, 11:54 AM.Comment
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But does a strikeout with no one on and 2 outs in the first inning carry as much importance as a strikeout with the bases loaded down 2 in the bottom of the 8th?
That is sort of the point I was trying to make. A player should be punished for something that directly affects the output of the team in that particular situation. You can't predict what the next player in the lineup would have done had the player not struck out with no one on and two outs.
There are a lot of great advanced situational stats that could really help here. How many times did said player GIDP, or in opportunities to make a productive out, how many times did he fail? How many players did said player leave on base after a failed at bat. I think a combination of these stats might be more productive than just throwing in strikeouts.
I like the idea of infield hits for sure. That is definitely a great effort stat. There is also a "Bases Taken" stat that could come into play here.Cubs | Bulls | Dolphins | 'Noles
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