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  • kehlis
    Moderator
    • Jul 2008
    • 27738

    #11986
    Re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by SPTO
    In the Rays case did fans EVER come to the games? This is a serious question here.
    The post right above this one answers that question.

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    • SPTO
      binging
      • Feb 2003
      • 68046

      #11987
      Re: MLB Off-Topic

      Originally posted by kehlis
      The post right above this one answers that question.
      Thanks I missed it.
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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #11988
        Re: MLB Off-Topic

        Some random baseball thoughts from yesteryear...I was looking at Paul Konerko's career numbers and didn't realize what a solid career he put up. 439 homers is nothing to sneeze at. Then I realized he was traded straight up after 1998 by the Reds to the White Sox for 1-year of Mike Cameron. What were the Reds thinking? I know Konerko was still a prospect, but he had absolutely mashed at every level (37 HR/127 RBI at AAA in 1997).

        I remember the trade, but didn't realize it had been such a short sighted trade for the Reds.
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        • WaitTilNextYear
          Go Cubs Go
          • Mar 2013
          • 16830

          #11989
          Re: MLB Off-Topic

          I realize that we've already had 'that talk' about Harold Baines, but I belatedly noticed this interesting article from The Ringer:

          The right fielder was tapped for Cooperstown on Sunday despite numbers that fall well short of the typical enshrinee’s. What would happen if we put in every player who performed at a similar level?


          I present to you The Hall of Baines.
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          • CMH
            Making you famous
            • Oct 2002
            • 26203

            #11990
            Re: MLB Off-Topic

            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
            I realize that we've already had 'that talk' about Harold Baines, but I belatedly noticed this interesting article from The Ringer:

            The right fielder was tapped for Cooperstown on Sunday despite numbers that fall well short of the typical enshrinee’s. What would happen if we put in every player who performed at a similar level?


            I present to you The Hall of Baines.
            Meh. Players should not all be defined by their numbers only or be compared by numbers only.

            We are already fighting that now as guys are competing against players in the 90s with blown up stats.

            I can't acknowledge arguments that begin by choosing a bunch of players who put up similar numbers to Baines and saying this is the new Hall.

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            "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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            • Speedy
              #Ace
              • Apr 2008
              • 16143

              #11991
              Re: MLB Off-Topic

              Regarding the topic of the Rays...

              I think in recent years, the only way a team can succeed is to have success within 5 years. Look at recent examples:

              Arizona Diamondbacks: playoffs in 2 years, championship in 3.
              Vegas Knights (NHL): playoffs in 1 year (huge success)
              Toronto Raptors: Playoffs in 4 years, EC semi-finals in 5
              Winnipeg: Playoffs in 4 years...doesn't have attendance numbers but sells out their arena

              I can't also speak to the hockey teams but at least for the others, I can immediately think of stars on their initial playoff teams. Who on Tampa would be considered a star? Blake Snell is their lone all-star...I think they need a star that the city can gravitate toward and be a promoter almost for the team in the city, somebody kids would want to see play.

              I don't see the team doing well in Montreal and I doubt MLB wants to move games to Mexico. I think Charlotte would be a bad idea because of the amount of Braves fans here in NC and they're just not going to pickup the support. I think the best and likely target would be Vegas if the team moves.

              That's just my $.02 on the matter.
              Originally posted by Gibson88
              Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
              It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #11992
                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                Originally posted by CMH
                Meh. Players should not all be defined by their numbers only or be compared by numbers only.

                We are already fighting that now as guys are competing against players in the 90s with blown up stats.

                I can't acknowledge arguments that begin by choosing a bunch of players who put up similar numbers to Baines and saying this is the new Hall.

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                God forbid we use stats to determine who should get in!
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                • CMH
                  Making you famous
                  • Oct 2002
                  • 26203

                  #11993
                  Re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  God forbid we use stats to determine who should get in!
                  I mean that's definitely not what I said.

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                  "It may well be that we spectators, who are not divinely gifted as athletes, are the only ones able to truly see, articulate and animate the experience of the gift we are denied. And that those who receive and act out the gift of athletic genius must, perforce, be blind and dumb about it -- and not because blindness and dumbness are the price of the gift, but because they are its essence." - David Foster Wallace

                  "You'll not find more penny-wise/pound-foolish behavior than in Major League Baseball." - Rob Neyer

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                  • Godgers12
                    MVP
                    • Dec 2012
                    • 2265

                    #11994
                    Re: MLB Off-Topic

                    Originally posted by Speedy
                    Speaking of HOF, Mike Trout already has the 90th highest fWAR in baseball history and he likely will play at least another 10 years.

                    The guy could retire today and I think be a 1st ballot.

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                    He hasnt played 10 seasons yet, so he wouldnt even be eligible for the HOF.

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                    • Godgers12
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2012
                      • 2265

                      #11995
                      Re: MLB Off-Topic

                      Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                      I think there's something to the idea that Ottavino (and the modern day relief pitcher in general) is an animal that Babe Ruth would need to adjust to. I'm not sure if that means 1 practice swing or several, but I am confident that the greatest hitter of all time (sorry, Barry) could hit Adam Ottavino. And could probably hit any other modern day pitcher, save for perhaps the nastiest Randy Johnson-type LHPs the game has ever seen.
                      Thought we were talking about Ruth vs Ottavino? Not Theodore Samuel Williams vs Ottavino.

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                      • TripleCrown9
                        Keep the Faith
                        • May 2010
                        • 23663

                        #11996
                        Re: MLB Off-Topic

                        Originally posted by Godgers12
                        Thought we were talking about Ruth vs Ottavino? Not Theodore Samuel Williams vs Ottavino.

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                        This is the most sensible thing I've seen you post lately.
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                        • TripleCrown9
                          Keep the Faith
                          • May 2010
                          • 23663

                          #11997
                          Re: MLB Off-Topic

                          The Twins are retiring Joe Mauer's number.
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                          • WaitTilNextYear
                            Go Cubs Go
                            • Mar 2013
                            • 16830

                            #11998
                            Re: MLB Off-Topic

                            Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                            The Twins are retiring Joe Mauer's number.
                            On August 11th? (Do they play the Pirates in interleague play this year?)
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                            • TripleCrown9
                              Keep the Faith
                              • May 2010
                              • 23663

                              #11999
                              Re: MLB Off-Topic

                              Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                              On August 11th? (Do they play the Pirates in interleague play this year?)
                              Unfortunately no, but speaking of August 11th and Pirates, we're surprisingly already 4 months removed from Barry Bonds (of both Pittsburgh Pirates and San Francisco Giants fame) having his number retired on August 11th when his former team the San Francisco Giants hosted his former former team the Pittsburgh Pirates 4 months ago.
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                              • ShowTyme15
                                LADetermined
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 11853

                                #12000
                                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                                So there is another women coming forward about Addison Russell's behavior. Doesn't look good for him or the Cubs.

                                It's ugly as hell and makes one wonder why on Earth the Cubs haven't released him

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