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[Master Live 013]

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Too bad, Goldstein is one of the most respected minds in analytics, if I remember correctly he is the guy that came up with the concept of "framing" and how to measure it at Baseball Prospectus.

[TheMatrix31]

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Oh he is? I hope he DIAF then.

Figures that the guy behind the conceptualization of baseball's flopping has a heavy hand in this **** too.

Flouting integrity every which way.

[Master Live 013]

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I suspected you would hate him

[Jr.]

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I read the email that people are saying is "damaging evidence" and I just don't see it...they asked their scouts to spy on other team's dugouts; uh, that should go without saying.

What am I missing? I seriously don't understand...

I think it was the suggestion to use cameras to record the dugouts

[ShowTyme15]

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Seems legit.

[jeebs9]

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Damnlike holy ****.... this is messed up lol
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[Sportsforever]

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Damnlike holy ****.... this is messed up lol

So I watched the first half of that video and I’m not seeing consistency in the boom and the actual pitch. Sometimes one boom is a fastball, other times one boom is an off speed pitch, etc. Now, they certainly could have changed the “sign” up so that other teams didn’t catch on, but it seems to be inconsistent within individual at bats. It will be interesting to see what comes out of all this...


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[jeebs9]

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So I watched the first half of that video and I’m not seeing consistency in the boom and the actual pitch. Sometimes one boom is a fastball, other times one boom is an off speed pitch, etc. Now, they certainly could have changed the “sign” up so that other teams didn’t catch on, but it seems to be inconsistent within individual at bats. It will be interesting to see what comes out of all this...


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There is much more out. That was a short taste. They are saying they had a catcher in the bullpen (mic in ear) that would raise his hands for fast ball or leave them down for off-speed pitches. There a lot close to showing batters just as the pitcher gets his signal from the catcher. They would look into the out field. And it's coming out for a lot of the games.

Here is one example

https://youtu.be/ob-RhXfoPo8

Seems like it's bangs during the regular season. They changed it to whistling and then added the catcher in the bullpen element when it became too loud.

Here is a 25 minute video of drums lol

https://youtu.be/FUkJeko0QGE

You don't go from 15th in strike out for 5 years. To jumping to number one, two and one number the last 3.

And someone mentioned.... they never look caught off guard.

You can find a whole thread in Reddit. A lot of the info don't look good at all.

Edit: I saw some people say it doesn't matter (not in here). But for some of these high level hitters. It's crazy knowledge to know if a off speed pitch is coming or a fast ball. You just cut the game in. Now you just need location.


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[The Kid 24]

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Hate to see this...

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2019/11/17/mlb-could-eliminate-42-minor-league-baseball-teams/

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[Jr.]

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There is much more out. That was a short taste. They are saying they had a catcher in the bullpen (mic in ear) that would raise his hands for fast ball or leave them down for off-speed pitches. There a lot close to showing batters just as the pitcher gets his signal from the catcher. They would look into the out field. And it's coming out for a lot of the games.

Here is one example

https://youtu.be/ob-RhXfoPo8

Seems like it's bangs during the regular season. They changed it to whistling and then added the catcher in the bullpen element when it became too loud.

I'm not sure if this is referencing the whistling or eyes, but both aren't relevant. The whistling happens during the signs, not after. Altuve's eyes go to third base and for barely a split second. Unless the 3rd base coach is relaying it, he's not picking anything up there.

Here is a 25 minute video of drums lol

https://youtu.be/FUkJeko0QGE

You don't go from 15th in strike out for 5 years. To jumping to number one, two and one number the last 3.

And someone mentioned.... they never look caught off guard.

You can find a whole thread in Reddit. A lot of the info don't look good at all.

Edit: I saw some people say it doesn't matter (not in here). But for some of these high level hitters. It's crazy knowledge to know if a off speed pitch is coming or a fast ball. You just cut the game in. Now you just need location.


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The 2nd video is much more convincing. I had trouble hearing it sometimes, but it definitely seemed synced up to the pitch.

And yeah, it definitely helps to know what pitch is coming. There's a reason that players tee off when a pitcher tips his pitches or falls into a distinct pattern.

[jeebs9]

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I'm not sure if this is referencing the whistling or eyes, but both aren't relevant. The whistling happens during the signs, not after. Altuve's eyes go to third base and for barely a split second. Unless the 3rd base coach is relaying it, he's not picking anything up there.







The 2nd video is much more convincing. I had trouble hearing it sometimes, but it definitely seemed synced up to the pitch.



And yeah, it definitely helps to know what pitch is coming. There's a reason that players tee off when a pitcher tips his pitches or falls into a distinct pattern.

Agree with the last part..

But the first part. There are a bunch of videos of Astro players looking else where when setting up in the box. Not just that one instance of him glancing into left. There are theories that they moved the person around from game to game. So their players didn't all look weird. Because it takes Millie seconds to know fast or change. The glance is all you need.

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[ShowTyme15]

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New report coming out now that the Astros players may have been using electronic buzzers to communicate signs as well.

[jeebs9]

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New report coming out now that the Astros players may have been using electronic buzzers to communicate signs as well.

Buzzers!.... Wow... Keeps getting deeper. Thanks for sharing

Here is the example I was talking about. Look at his eyes.

https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1195085828910985225?s=20

I don't care what anyone says lol. Hitters don't do quick glances right before the wine up. And you can see in some clips when they change up the signals on them. They look completely fooled. That's not good.


Just follow that guy for most of the updates on this. Because was like the second person to break it.

[Master Live 013]

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Thinking about who should play who in the movie.

[kehlis]

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I don't care what anyone says lol. Hitters don't do quick glances right before the wine up. And you can see in some clips when they change up the signals on them. They look completely fooled. That's not good.

Yes they do. All the time actually, hitters are taught to read the defense.

The infielders will occasionally be the ones to tip the pitch by leaning one way or the other.


There is a TON of smoke here but glancing elsewhere before the delivery (by itself) isn't enough.one of them.

(And I'm not even suggesting nothing happened since it's pretty obvious shenanigans were going on. I do think people are reaching with some things at this point)