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  • WaitTilNextYear
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    • Mar 2013
    • 16830

    #11956
    Re: MLB Off-Topic

    Originally posted by SPTO
    I didn't expect to see such shade thrown at Baines by some. Yes, his numbers weren't the greatest but he was a very consistent player for a very long time. Consistency like that is something that should be rewarded IMO. It's not like he got in through the regular voting process so he's had to literally wait YEARS to get in. We also have to look at the guy through the context of the times. Before Harold Baines DHs were guys who were either old as heck and couldn't field a position or could barely hit their weight. I have no issue with his inclusion in the Hall.

    Maybe i'm just too permissive in my criteria? Oh well.
    Yeah, he made a lot of money and became a minor fan favorite in the city of Chicago. That's what you get as an MLB player who is consistent for a long period of time. Being roster-able for 20 years is a really, really low bar for induction to the HoF. There is a reason he didn't get in through the regular voting process, and I can sum that up by saying he isn't HoF caliber (or, calibre for any Quebecois).

    If your argument is that Harold Baines 'invented the modern day DH' or is somehow largely responsible for the proliferation of the DH in baseball, then that's something I'd need to think more about. Any argument would have to be based on precedent (like with guys who broke the color barrier, but weren't exactly Jackie Robinson-good) instead of production. Based on his numbers alone, Baines certainly doesn't make it, nor does he come particularly close.

    Including a guy with these numbers (less than .300, 400 HR, 3000 hits) for an offense-only player who compiled stats in relative obscurity for 20 years opens a Pandora's box for guys like Adam Dunn and dozens of other Hall of Very Good types that heretofore had no chance at inclusion.
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    • CMH
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      • Oct 2002
      • 26203

      #11957
      Re: MLB Off-Topic

      The Hall is too strict anyway. It's not like Chad Curtis is getting in.

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      • WaitTilNextYear
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        • Mar 2013
        • 16830

        #11958
        Re: MLB Off-Topic

        Originally posted by CMH
        The Hall is too strict anyway. It's not like Chad Curtis is getting in.

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        Au contraire. The Hall is not strict enough (for my liking).

        If Baines is in, why not Chad Curtis? He was a key cog on that Yankee dynasty. Triple digits career homers (just like Baines), batted .285 one year. Surpassed 20 homers in another. Way more stolen bases than Harold Baines, all while leading off and playing on defense. Where does it stop?
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        • Scott
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          • Jul 2002
          • 20030

          #11959
          Re: MLB Off-Topic

          2866 H, 384 HR, 1299 R, .289 AVG, .356 OBP, .820 OPS
          1061 H, 101 HR, 648 R, .264 AVG, .349 OBP, .745 OPS

          Guess which one is Curtis?
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          • WaitTilNextYear
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            • Mar 2013
            • 16830

            #11960
            Re: MLB Off-Topic

            Originally posted by Scott
            2866 H, 384 HR, 1299 R, .289 AVG, .356 OBP, .820 OPS
            1061 H, 101 HR, 648 R, .264 AVG, .349 OBP, .745 OPS

            Guess which one is Curtis?
            Totally stumped. I can't decide.
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            • TripleCrown9
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              • May 2010
              • 23669

              #11961
              Re: MLB Off-Topic

              Today is the very first time I ever heard the name Chad Curtis.
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              • Sportsforever
                NL MVP
                • Mar 2005
                • 20368

                #11962
                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                Today is the very first time I ever heard the name Chad Curtis.
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                • TripleCrown9
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                  • May 2010
                  • 23669

                  #11963
                  Re: MLB Off-Topic

                  Originally posted by Sportsforever
                  Were you checking for sex offenders in your neighborhood?
                  Ah, good to know.
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                  • SPTO
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                    • Feb 2003
                    • 68046

                    #11964
                    Re: MLB Off-Topic

                    Well i'm going with the "he defined the modern DH position" angle. Although looking at the HOF criteria on the baseball reference page i'm starting to see why a lot are PO'ed about him being in there.
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                    • DieHardYankee26
                      BING BONG
                      • Feb 2008
                      • 10178

                      #11965
                      Re: MLB Off-Topic

                      I feel like it means almost every player I idolized growing up will make it in someday. Every even decent player on the dynasty teams... Forget Jeter and Mo, now Pettitte, Posada, and Bernie have a shot. You let in Harold Baines? Smh now I'm going to bat for Paul O'Neill.

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                      • SPTO
                        binging
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 68046

                        #11966
                        Re: MLB Off-Topic

                        Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                        I feel like it means almost every player I idolized growing up will make it in someday. Every even decent player on the dynasty teams... Forget Jeter and Mo, now Pettitte, Posada, and Bernie have a shot. You let in Harold Baines? Smh now I'm going to bat for Paul O'Neill.

                        How does Harold Baines get 16 votes and George Steinbrenner gets 5?
                        I think some of you guys are really making too much of Baines' getting in and thinking just about every one will suddenly be HOFers. As for Steinbrenner, considering the committee is made up of former players and executives I can understand how there are still some hard feelings in regards to The Boss.
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                        • TheMatrix31
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                          • Jul 2002
                          • 52901

                          #11967
                          Re: MLB Off-Topic

                          I think Pettitte should get in anyway.

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                          • SPTO
                            binging
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 68046

                            #11968
                            Re: MLB Off-Topic

                            Petitte is borderline to me but I wouldn't be upset if he got in.



                            In other off topic type news, apparently Adam Ottavino thinks he can strike out Babe Ruth "every time".

                            Yeah, sure bud.
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                            • The Kid 24
                              It's Show Time!
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 14762

                              #11969
                              Re: MLB Off-Topic

                              No surprise... Rays hope of building a new stadium in Ybor City is dead.
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                              • SPTO
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                                • Feb 2003
                                • 68046

                                #11970
                                Re: MLB Off-Topic

                                Originally posted by The Kid 24
                                No surprise... Rays hope of building a new stadium in Ybor City is dead.
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