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  • HealyMonster
    Titans Era has begun.
    • Aug 2002
    • 5992

    #106
    Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

    Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

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    • LetsGoPitt
      Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
      • Jul 2002
      • 5673

      #107
      Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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      Renegade44 said:
      Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

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      Please.

      He's hitting .259 compared to Jason Bay's .301

      He has 7 HR and 30 RBI compared to Bay's 10 and 35. And Matsui has 181 MORE at bats than Bay.
      “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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      • LetsGoPitt
        Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
        • Jul 2002
        • 5673

        #108
        Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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        Renegade44 said:
        Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

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        Please.

        He's hitting .259 compared to Jason Bay's .301

        He has 7 HR and 30 RBI compared to Bay's 10 and 35. And Matsui has 181 MORE at bats than Bay.
        “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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        • LetsGoPitt
          Cr*m*n*lly *nd*rr*t*d
          • Jul 2002
          • 5673

          #109
          Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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          Renegade44 said:
          Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

          <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">
          Please.

          He's hitting .259 compared to Jason Bay's .301

          He has 7 HR and 30 RBI compared to Bay's 10 and 35. And Matsui has 181 MORE at bats than Bay.
          “In my lifetime, we've gone from Eisenhower to George W. Bush. We've gone from John F. Kennedy to Al Gore. If this is evolution, I believe that in twelve years, we'll be voting for plants.” - Lewis Black

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          • BatsareBugs
            LVP
            • Feb 2003
            • 12553

            #110
            Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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            Renegade44 said:
            Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

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            Khalil's better than him, no way that's going to happen even if the media starts jumping on him. 17 errors? .259? What he only probably leads all rookies in walks but that's because he's a lead off guy.

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            • BatsareBugs
              LVP
              • Feb 2003
              • 12553

              #111
              Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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              Renegade44 said:
              Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

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              Khalil's better than him, no way that's going to happen even if the media starts jumping on him. 17 errors? .259? What he only probably leads all rookies in walks but that's because he's a lead off guy.

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              • BatsareBugs
                LVP
                • Feb 2003
                • 12553

                #112
                Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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                Renegade44 said:
                Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

                <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                Khalil's better than him, no way that's going to happen even if the media starts jumping on him. 17 errors? .259? What he only probably leads all rookies in walks but that's because he's a lead off guy.

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                • Karlos05
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                  • Mar 2003
                  • 5814

                  #113
                  Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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                  Renegade44 said:
                  Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

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                  Living in Jersey I see a lot of Matsui, no way he get ROY. He's just not doing it on offense and his defense is awful. Every other day I turn on the T.V and he throws it away.

                  Got my homer goggles on here but Jason Bay for Rookie of the Year

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                  • Karlos05
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                    • Mar 2003
                    • 5814

                    #114
                    Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

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                    Renegade44 said:
                    Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

                    <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                    Living in Jersey I see a lot of Matsui, no way he get ROY. He's just not doing it on offense and his defense is awful. Every other day I turn on the T.V and he throws it away.

                    Got my homer goggles on here but Jason Bay for Rookie of the Year

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                    • Karlos05
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                      • Mar 2003
                      • 5814

                      #115
                      Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                      Renegade44 said:
                      Kaz Matsui NL Rookie of the year

                      <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">



                      Living in Jersey I see a lot of Matsui, no way he get ROY. He's just not doing it on offense and his defense is awful. Every other day I turn on the T.V and he throws it away.

                      Got my homer goggles on here but Jason Bay for Rookie of the Year

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                      • mjb2124
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Aug 2002
                        • 13649

                        #116
                        Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

                        The more I hear from these national sportswriters, the more I'm starting to accept that Jason Bay won't win NLROY. Everything I see is how Khalil Greene is the "man to beat" and Bay is the "closest competition".

                        This goes to show how terrible the system is. Just compare the numbers and I can't see how Greene could win:

                        Khalil Greene
                        464 AB
                        .269 BA
                        11 HR
                        57 RBI
                        .346 OBP
                        .418 SLG
                        .764 OPS

                        Jason Bay
                        320 AB
                        .297 BA
                        22 HR
                        67 RBI
                        .372 OBP
                        .581 SLG
                        .953 OPS

                        Now don't get me wrong. Khalil Greene is having a VERY good season. I just don't think he's having as good a season as Jason Bay is having.

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                        • mjb2124
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Aug 2002
                          • 13649

                          #117
                          Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

                          The more I hear from these national sportswriters, the more I'm starting to accept that Jason Bay won't win NLROY. Everything I see is how Khalil Greene is the "man to beat" and Bay is the "closest competition".

                          This goes to show how terrible the system is. Just compare the numbers and I can't see how Greene could win:

                          Khalil Greene
                          464 AB
                          .269 BA
                          11 HR
                          57 RBI
                          .346 OBP
                          .418 SLG
                          .764 OPS

                          Jason Bay
                          320 AB
                          .297 BA
                          22 HR
                          67 RBI
                          .372 OBP
                          .581 SLG
                          .953 OPS

                          Now don't get me wrong. Khalil Greene is having a VERY good season. I just don't think he's having as good a season as Jason Bay is having.

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                          • dieselboy
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                            • Dec 2002
                            • 18040

                            #118
                            Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

                            Originally posted by joeboo
                            The more I hear from these national sportswriters, the more I'm starting to accept that Jason Bay won't win NLROY. Everything I see is how Khalil Greene is the "man to beat" and Bay is the "closest competition".

                            This goes to show how terrible the system is. Just compare the numbers and I can't see how Greene could win:

                            Khalil Greene
                            464 AB
                            .269 BA
                            11 HR
                            57 RBI
                            .346 OBP
                            .418 SLG
                            .764 OPS

                            Jason Bay
                            320 AB
                            .297 BA
                            22 HR
                            67 RBI
                            .372 OBP
                            .581 SLG
                            .953 OPS

                            Now don't get me wrong. Khalil Greene is having a VERY good season. I just don't think he's having as good a season as Jason Bay is having.
                            Add to it that Greene has had superb defense and his team is in competition for the playoffs, it is very close.

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                            • dieselboy
                              --------------
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 18040

                              #119
                              Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

                              Originally posted by joeboo
                              The more I hear from these national sportswriters, the more I'm starting to accept that Jason Bay won't win NLROY. Everything I see is how Khalil Greene is the "man to beat" and Bay is the "closest competition".

                              This goes to show how terrible the system is. Just compare the numbers and I can't see how Greene could win:

                              Khalil Greene
                              464 AB
                              .269 BA
                              11 HR
                              57 RBI
                              .346 OBP
                              .418 SLG
                              .764 OPS

                              Jason Bay
                              320 AB
                              .297 BA
                              22 HR
                              67 RBI
                              .372 OBP
                              .581 SLG
                              .953 OPS

                              Now don't get me wrong. Khalil Greene is having a VERY good season. I just don't think he's having as good a season as Jason Bay is having.
                              Add to it that Greene has had superb defense and his team is in competition for the playoffs, it is very close.

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                              • mjb2124
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Aug 2002
                                • 13649

                                #120
                                Re: Who is your pick for rookie of the year?

                                Originally posted by dieselboy
                                Add to it that Greene has had superb defense and his team is in competition for the playoffs, it is very close.

                                http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...sby/index.html
                                I guess that's part of the problem for me. I don't think Bay's ROTY chances should be minimized because the team he plays for isn't contending for the Wild Card/Playoffs. I've never viewed the ROTY award as one that should be based on your team. IMO it should be based solely on the numbers put up by the individual.

                                Oh well, I'm trying to view this without my "homer goggles" on, but everytime I look at it, I think Bay should win. His numbers are better than all NL rookies and he's had 100 some less AB's. The only thing that could possibly go against him is that he doesn't play for a contender (which IMO is unfair to Bay).

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