7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

IDK...the game I saw the other night with Teheran - he literally cost us the game as a simple throw from the pitcher he couldn't handle to tag the runner at home and end the inning. I see tons of things where he doesn't block the pitch (why does he attempt a backhand instead of blocking a pitch when a runner is on??) not to mention his paltry SB%.

I like his bat...just think his defense is below average. Fangraphs rates him with -7 DRS.

I think we're agreeing...everything beside his pitch framing is below average. His pitch framing technique, however, is world class.

[SPTO]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

I don't know that I've seen a 3B with an arm equal to Machado's. That DP he just turned/made look easy isn't even doable my every other 3B not named Arrenado.

I've heard from analysts of a certain vintage that Boog Powell was the greatest 3B from that perspective and every single one of them to a man says that Machado blows Powell out of the water and is the best 3B they've ever seen with his arm strength and accuracy. The guy is a generational talent at the hot corner.



As for the Jays tonight, nice to see a seemingly healthy Liriano pitch a tidy 5 innings tonight. He ups his stock a bit in the trade talks for sure. I also saw an interesting stat during the game showing just how opposite the two 1B with breakout seasons are faring since the All Star Break. I didn't realize Yonder Alonso has been faring so badly since the break.

[Blzer]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Assuming they win this game, the Diamondbacks got their lead-off man to reach every offensive inning today as Descalso just singled in the bottom of the eighth. I don't recall if all of them were hits.

[Godgers12]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

I don't know that I've seen a 3B with an arm equal to Machado's. That DP he just turned/made look easy isn't even doable my every other 3B not named Arrenado.

Beltre wants you to hold his beer.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

I've heard from analysts of a certain vintage that Boog Powell was the greatest 3B from that perspective and every single one of them to a man says that Machado blows Powell out of the water and is the best 3B they've ever seen with his arm strength and accuracy. The guy is a generational talent at the hot corner.



As for the Jays tonight, nice to see a seemingly healthy Liriano pitch a tidy 5 innings tonight. He ups his stock a bit in the trade talks for sure. I also saw an interesting stat during the game showing just how opposite the two 1B with breakout seasons are faring since the All Star Break. I didn't realize Yonder Alonso has been faring so badly since the break.

I am pretty sure you meant Brooks Robinson, not Boog Powell. Boog was the 1B for those O's team and has the range of a fire hydrant.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Beltre wants you to hold his beer.

Beltre has been phenomenal...I've watched him since he was a rookie. That said, he doesn't have the arm of Machado. Not even close...

[Godgers12]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Beltre has been phenomenal...I've watched him since he was a rookie. That said, he doesn't have the arm of Machado. Not even close...

You're right, Beltre's is stronger. I have watched them both as well.

[Sportsforever]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

You're right, Beltre's is stronger. I have watched them both as well.

I went and watched about 20 minutes of defensive highlights for both...Beltre has a great arm, but I still think Machado has more velocity. What I will give Beltre is accuracy...the entire highlight video I don't think he threw one "offline" throw. Machado can fire it over there, but his 1B saves him a lot.

I'm not downplaying Beltre...guy is a HOF and one of the greatest 3B of all time, but I am just amazed at Machado's arm strength.

[Speedy]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Machado vs. Andrelton.....

I'll take Andrelton's arm. I don't think there's a better one I've seen on the field in my life.

[Blzer]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Machado vs. Andrelton.....

I'll take Andrelton's arm. I don't think there's a better one I've seen on the field in my life.

I would agree to that...

I think they are talking about third basemen, though. There are a handful of shortstops I could name with better arms than Machado.

Remember Furcal's arm as well? Crazy.

[Speedy]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

I would agree to that...

I think they are talking about third basemen, though. There are a handful of shortstops I could name with better arms than Machado.

Remember Furcal's arm as well? Crazy.

I know...just comparing arm to arm.

I think Andrelton is better than Furcal.

[LowerWolf]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Shawon Dunston needs to be included if we're not limiting it to 3B.

[redsox4evur]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

Vlad Guerrero is sitting here in the background chuckling at this conversation.


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[Bard]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

As is Jose Guillen

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[WaitTilNextYear]

Re: 7/14 - 7/30 Game Discussion Thread

We all know that Henry Rowengartner had the best arm of all time. That's not really debatable. These other guys are jockeying for 2nd place.