Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

[dacubys]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

Mark should be a first ballot HOFer whether he did steroids or not

why his only accomplishment was the long ball which is enhanced by steroids, he was not a defensive player not a high average hitter not a good baserunner he was just a guy on the juice hitting homeruns. he will get in the hall maybe on the second but he will get in. and if he would have not had the seasons around the 98 season would we even be talking about him being in the hall. i look back at great hitters like andre dawson who had power decent average and was a true student of the game, he charted pitchers in the dugout when he wasn't batting or on base he studied every guys stuff tendencies etc. but this guy will never be in the hall and will never be in a court room lying about steroids. like i always said mcguire is overrated


and then this bonds guy.......

[ExtremeGamer]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

If you don't put McGwire in, then you can't put Bonds in either IMO. Bonds numbers have obviously increased over the last 5-6 years, before that, was he a HOF canidate when he was in Pittsburgh? No. So it's simple to me, if McGwire gets bumped for pleading the 5th, then Bonds has no prayer of making it.

[ExtremeGamer]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

If you don't put McGwire in, then you can't put Bonds in either IMO. Bonds numbers have obviously increased over the last 5-6 years, before that, was he a HOF canidate when he was in Pittsburgh? No. So it's simple to me, if McGwire gets bumped for pleading the 5th, then Bonds has no prayer of making it.

[mvb34]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

If you don't put McGwire in, then you can't put Bonds in either IMO. Bonds numbers have obviously increased over the last 5-6 years, before that, was he a HOF canidate when he was in Pittsburgh? No. So it's simple to me, if McGwire gets bumped for pleading the 5th, then Bonds has no prayer of making it.

What you smoking?? Bonds won two league MVPs and two golden gloves with Pittsburgh

[mvb34]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

If you don't put McGwire in, then you can't put Bonds in either IMO. Bonds numbers have obviously increased over the last 5-6 years, before that, was he a HOF canidate when he was in Pittsburgh? No. So it's simple to me, if McGwire gets bumped for pleading the 5th, then Bonds has no prayer of making it.

What you smoking?? Bonds won two league MVPs and two golden gloves with Pittsburgh

[USCTrojan83]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

why his only accomplishment was the long ball which is enhanced by steroids, he was not a defensive player not a high average hitter not a good baserunner he was just a guy on the juice hitting homeruns. he will get in the hall maybe on the second but he will get in. and if he would have not had the seasons around the 98 season would we even be talking about him being in the hall. i look back at great hitters like andre dawson who had power decent average and was a true student of the game, he charted pitchers in the dugout when he wasn't batting or on base he studied every guys stuff tendencies etc. but this guy will never be in the hall and will never be in a court room lying about steroids. like i always said mcguire is overrated


and then this bonds guy.......

Mac won a gold glove by the way...I think he goes into the HOF based on his tainted HR record and that he helped the game get back on its feet...Even if he had to use roids

DAWSON SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME....Thats another topic within itself...I think the media voting for Dawson are giving him a short stick....was he atleast the top 5 (given he played OF) player at his position in his era...Without a doubt

[USCTrojan83]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

why his only accomplishment was the long ball which is enhanced by steroids, he was not a defensive player not a high average hitter not a good baserunner he was just a guy on the juice hitting homeruns. he will get in the hall maybe on the second but he will get in. and if he would have not had the seasons around the 98 season would we even be talking about him being in the hall. i look back at great hitters like andre dawson who had power decent average and was a true student of the game, he charted pitchers in the dugout when he wasn't batting or on base he studied every guys stuff tendencies etc. but this guy will never be in the hall and will never be in a court room lying about steroids. like i always said mcguire is overrated


and then this bonds guy.......

Mac won a gold glove by the way...I think he goes into the HOF based on his tainted HR record and that he helped the game get back on its feet...Even if he had to use roids

DAWSON SHOULD BE IN THE HALL OF FAME....Thats another topic within itself...I think the media voting for Dawson are giving him a short stick....was he atleast the top 5 (given he played OF) player at his position in his era...Without a doubt

[Gagnon39]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

McGwire's testimony=hillarious. What a joke, and a cheater. You can see it in his eyes that he regrets his past, hm...I wonder why? Are you stilll "damn proud" to have your bat sit next to Maris' in the hall of fame. The first things that comes to mind with this whole thing is after the Sosa corked bat incodent I went to Busch and saw 10,000 Sosa cork bat shirts...HA, I can't wait to have a McGwire shirt printed up (which I will). McGwire's a joke.

[Gagnon39]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

McGwire's testimony=hillarious. What a joke, and a cheater. You can see it in his eyes that he regrets his past, hm...I wonder why? Are you stilll "damn proud" to have your bat sit next to Maris' in the hall of fame. The first things that comes to mind with this whole thing is after the Sosa corked bat incodent I went to Busch and saw 10,000 Sosa cork bat shirts...HA, I can't wait to have a McGwire shirt printed up (which I will). McGwire's a joke.

[USCTrojan83]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

why his only accomplishment was the long ball which is enhanced by steroids, he was not a defensive player not a high average hitter not a good baserunner he was just a guy on the juice hitting homeruns. he will get in the hall maybe on the second but he will get in. and if he would have not had the seasons around the 98 season would we even be talking about him being in the hall. i look back at great hitters like andre dawson who had power decent average and was a true student of the game, he charted pitchers in the dugout when he wasn't batting or on base he studied every guys stuff tendencies etc. but this guy will never be in the hall and will never be in a court room lying about steroids. like i always said mcguire is overrated


and then this bonds guy.......

McGwire Has 1 Gold Glove not that it makes him any more worthy of the HOF but I thought It would help you out

As for Bonds.....

Aaron in 23 Seasons hit 755 HRS
AVG = 33 HRS/YR
BA = .305
RBI's = 113
http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml

Bonds HRS AVERAGE PER YEAR (19 Seasons)
86-89 = 21
90-94 = 35
95-99 = 37
00-04 = 51
00 and 02-04 = 45


Excluding his 73 HR season in 2001
90-04 = 39 HRS (still more than Aarons career average)
(including 73 HRS)
90-04 = 42 HRS a Year

Career Averages!!!
HRS = 42
BA = .300
RBI's = 110

Thats just as good as Aaron....HOF inductee to me (1st time)

Bonds has comparable stats to:
CLEMENTE
GWYNN (FUTURE HOFer)
REGGIE JACKSON
MANTLE (STATS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL)
WILLIE MAYS
DAVE WINFIELD
YASTREMSKI....

i COULD KEEP GOING http://www.baseball-reference.com/players.shtml

[USCTrojan83]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

why his only accomplishment was the long ball which is enhanced by steroids, he was not a defensive player not a high average hitter not a good baserunner he was just a guy on the juice hitting homeruns. he will get in the hall maybe on the second but he will get in. and if he would have not had the seasons around the 98 season would we even be talking about him being in the hall. i look back at great hitters like andre dawson who had power decent average and was a true student of the game, he charted pitchers in the dugout when he wasn't batting or on base he studied every guys stuff tendencies etc. but this guy will never be in the hall and will never be in a court room lying about steroids. like i always said mcguire is overrated


and then this bonds guy.......

McGwire Has 1 Gold Glove not that it makes him any more worthy of the HOF but I thought It would help you out

As for Bonds.....

Aaron in 23 Seasons hit 755 HRS
AVG = 33 HRS/YR
BA = .305
RBI's = 113
http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/aaronha01.shtml

Bonds HRS AVERAGE PER YEAR (19 Seasons)
86-89 = 21
90-94 = 35
95-99 = 37
00-04 = 51
00 and 02-04 = 45


Excluding his 73 HR season in 2001
90-04 = 39 HRS (still more than Aarons career average)
(including 73 HRS)
90-04 = 42 HRS a Year

Career Averages!!!
HRS = 42
BA = .300
RBI's = 110

Thats just as good as Aaron....HOF inductee to me (1st time)

Bonds has comparable stats to:
CLEMENTE
GWYNN (FUTURE HOFer)
REGGIE JACKSON
MANTLE (STATS ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL)
WILLIE MAYS
DAVE WINFIELD
YASTREMSKI....

i COULD KEEP GOING http://www.baseball-reference.com/players.shtml

[glucklich]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

Not a first balloter ahead of Ripken and Gwynn.

In all honesty, I know Cal is PR dream but Im not so sure hes more worthy of being a 1st ballot guy than McGwire --even with the steroids. The fact is that the streak hurt his team. In the end it may have been good for baseball but it came at a price, that being that it hurt his team. Assuming McGwire used (i know some dont think assume isnt definitive enough), steroids in that era never hurt your team. Tony Gwynn gets in on first ballot based on on the field. Cal gets in more for PR.

[glucklich]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

Not a first balloter ahead of Ripken and Gwynn.

In all honesty, I know Cal is PR dream but Im not so sure hes more worthy of being a 1st ballot guy than McGwire --even with the steroids. The fact is that the streak hurt his team. In the end it may have been good for baseball but it came at a price, that being that it hurt his team. Assuming McGwire used (i know some dont think assume isnt definitive enough), steroids in that era never hurt your team. Tony Gwynn gets in on first ballot based on on the field. Cal gets in more for PR.

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

So 3,000 hits, 400 home runs, 19 All-Star Appearances, 2-time AL MVP, 2-time Gold Glover, and pretty much revolutionizing a position is just the same as a guy who just has only 500 career home runs when it comes to the HOF?

[BatsareBugs]

Re: Did McGwire Hurt His Chances for the HOF??

So 3,000 hits, 400 home runs, 19 All-Star Appearances, 2-time AL MVP, 2-time Gold Glover, and pretty much revolutionizing a position is just the same as a guy who just has only 500 career home runs when it comes to the HOF?