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  • baseball66
    Banned
    • Mar 2009
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    #106
    Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

    if they do indeed trade cain it has to be for a big bat at a reasonable cost, who could that possibly be? Knowing sabean the giants will get screwed again, maybe they would be better served to wait till next year for a free agent.

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    • Scottdau
      Banned
      • Feb 2003
      • 32580

      #107
      Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

      Originally posted by baseball66
      if they do indeed trade cain it has to be for a big bat at a reasonable cost, who could that possibly be? Knowing sabean the giants will get screwed again, maybe they would be better served to wait till next year for a free agent.
      Well, my friend and I were talking about this tonight. I would love to get Gonzalez from SD, but I don't see that happening. I wouldn't mind Fielder. I also, heard talks about Tex from the Yankees. That would be a great fit for both teams. So would Fielder. The Brewers would get a stud pitcher and we would get a stud hitter. Both are pretty young too. I also, thought it would be a good to move to see if you can give Cain and some other player to Wash for Johnson and Dunn! But I think if you give up Cain you have to get a young stud big bat!
      Last edited by Scottdau; 05-24-2009, 11:55 PM.

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      • Scottdau
        Banned
        • Feb 2003
        • 32580

        #108
        Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

        The thing is Cain is a FA in 2 years. He is going to want big money we can't afford that. Unless you trade Timmy, but I don't see that happening. This Zito contact kills us in the long run.

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        • baseball66
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          • Mar 2009
          • 1505

          #109
          Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

          zito's contract is up in what... 4 more years so when cain signs there would only be two years remaining. i think a trade would likely involve an unproven top prospect or two at best, any proven young slugger is likely to cost at least what it would take to sign cain. it's going to be a tough call on that one. what about someone like ian kinsler in texas, i wonder if they would be willing to trade him for cain, lord knows they need pitching.

          ps: i read where sabean said he might even be willing to deal for a player who could walk as a free agent after the season (matt holiday?), hopefully he doesn't trade cain for someone like that, but i wouldn't put it past him.
          Last edited by baseball66; 05-25-2009, 10:56 AM.

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          • Blzer
            Resident film pundit
            • Mar 2004
            • 42531

            #110
            Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

            Originally posted by Scottdau
            Well, my friend and I were talking about this tonight. I would love to get Gonzalez from SD, but I don't see that happening. I wouldn't mind Fielder. I also, heard talks about Tex from the Yankees. That would be a great fit for both teams. So would Fielder. The Brewers would get a stud pitcher and we would get a stud hitter. Both are pretty young too. I also, thought it would be a good to move to see if you can give Cain and some other player to Wash for Johnson and Dunn! But I think if you give up Cain you have to get a young stud big bat!
            Again, the only issue is that lefty power bats aren't the answer. I'm not saying we shouldn't have any lefties (as every non-power hitter should be a lefty so we can have an alternating left-right kind of lineup), but unless it's a powerful switch-hitter like Berkman, I'd say we stick to the right side for power. It's the only way we'll mostly benefit.
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            • GSW
              Simnation
              • Feb 2003
              • 8041

              #111
              Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

              who would you suggest Blzer...besides bonds.

              I dont see many Available Right handed power hitters that are just going to be given to us for Matt Cain.
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              • Scottdau
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                • Feb 2003
                • 32580

                #112
                Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                Originally posted by Blzer
                Again, the only issue is that lefty power bats aren't the answer. I'm not saying we shouldn't have any lefties (as every non-power hitter should be a lefty so we can have an alternating left-right kind of lineup), but unless it's a powerful switch-hitter like Berkman, I'd say we stick to the right side for power. It's the only way we'll mostly benefit.
                I agree, but I would take Gonzalez though.

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                • Marino
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                  • Jan 2008
                  • 18113

                  #113
                  Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                  Originally posted by Scottdau
                  I agree, but I would take Gonzalez though.
                  I think Adrian is the one person that SD will not give up but I may be wrong.

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                  • Scottdau
                    Banned
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 32580

                    #114
                    Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                    Originally posted by marino13882
                    I think Adrian is the one person that SD will not give up but I may be wrong.
                    Actually they have a stud first basemen down on the farm, there has been talks about it before. Even a straight up trade for Cain was talk about a year ago, but nothing came out of it. He is trade able. I doubt it will happen, but SD will probably try to trade him soon.

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                    • Blzer
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                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42531

                      #115
                      Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                      Originally posted by GSW
                      who would you suggest Blzer...besides bonds.

                      I dont see many Available Right handed power hitters that are just going to be given to us for Matt Cain.
                      Heh... well that's why I suggested Ramirez or Sheffield during the offseason when the option was available.

                      There are other guys that we could have held onto like Shea Hillenbrand. Now I know he isn't the answer (not even close, in fact), but we just let them go and moved onto the next scrub rookie while he could have done some more good for us.

                      Honestly, I don't know who is available... but if I had to pick one that could fit for this role, I would say Jermaine Dye or Jorge Cantu.
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                      • GSW
                        Simnation
                        • Feb 2003
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                        #116
                        Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                        Originally posted by Blzer
                        Heh... well that's why I suggested Ramirez or Sheffield during the offseason when the option was available.

                        There are other guys that we could have held onto like Shea Hillenbrand. Now I know he isn't the answer (not even close, in fact), but we just let them go and moved onto the next scrub rookie while he could have done some more good for us.

                        Honestly, I don't know who is available... but if I had to pick one that could fit for this role, I would say Jermaine Dye or Jorge Cantu.
                        i didnt know Cantu had power like that.

                        I liek Dye and the white sox stink so.... hmm.
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                        • Blzer
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                          • Mar 2004
                          • 42531

                          #117
                          Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                          Originally posted by GSW
                          i didnt know Cantu had power like that.
                          I'm personally not willing to shell a lot of money just to get a guy that is more or less only a home run threat. Cantu can do so much more plus give you 25 - 30 home runs. I'm not saying he's a #4 hitter, but I think if you truly want one, we have a very cheap one in Bonds. Otherwise, the other ones are either too expensive or left-handed and therefore not so much worth the bill.

                          Again, I was just throwing out a suggestion. Cantu is still very young and is a big step up above Aurilia and Ishikawa (who can field, but so can Jorge).

                          I'm just saying that there are other options other than banking on a guy who, while he may be a deep fly ball threat, is also lacking in other departments (contact, speed, fielding) and may not work in a park like San Francisco.

                          The reason I always say that Bonds is an exception is because we have seen him dominate right field before when no one else could (yes, I understand that he's older) and because even if he doesn't hit many home runs he will still have an incredibly high on base percentage and decent average. Plus, even if he only hits .250 and doesn't homer, we could just release him at the small cost of the same amount of wins we would have had without him and $300K out (which would instantly come back by the amount of extra fans that paid to see Bonds). With Bonds, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
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                          • baseball66
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                            • Mar 2009
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                            #118
                            Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                            no way i make a trade of cain for dye, he's to old.

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                            • Blzer
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                              • Mar 2004
                              • 42531

                              #119
                              Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                              I never said trade Cain for Dye, I don't want any of our starting pitchers traded (including Sanchez).

                              And in that case, this seems like even more of a reason to go to the free agent market. Let's search under 'B'...
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                              • iLLmatic
                                MVP
                                • Dec 2002
                                • 1103

                                #120
                                Re: 2009 San Francisco Giants

                                I think Carney Lansford needs to be taken to task for some of these hitting problems. The whole teams approach is horrible. Cant move guys over. Cant get RISP in consistently. Some of that is the player, but some of it is on Carney. Lately its been better but we know how bad it can get. Sabean is now looking for a bat. Come on now. One bat makes no difference at this point. I have been hard on Sabean because of his arrogant, wait and see attitude that leads to desperate moves and even more excuses when these moves fail. One move I think works for now is a deal for Aubrey Huff because it makes you better now (which don't mean much being 9 games back) and it will keep Ishikawa as the backup, because truthfully that's all he should be asked to do at this point of his career. On no other team would he be a starter except the Giants. NONE!!! And while they are at it, DFA Aurilia and keep Frandsen up. Frandsen should have been up the whole time while Velez was here stealing time and a check. The guy deserves a real shot as well as he can play multiple positions like Aurilia but is younger with more to gain for the future. But ultimately they must fire Sabean. Hire the Asian chick that is Colletti's assistant in LA. Fire Bochy and hire Brett Butler from AAA Reno(Diamondbacks). He can give the team some fire in the dugout and big head Bochy looks a little disinterested to me.
                                Last edited by iLLmatic; 05-27-2009, 01:39 AM.

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